Frosting on camera sensor window ZWO ASI294MC Pro · akshay87kumar · ... · 32 · 978 · 2

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andrea tasselli:
To be fair to ZWO they "kind of guarantee"a DeltaT of 35 degrees C which means that if your outside temperature (dry!) is more than that do not expect it can cool the thing to below zero. If the outside temperature is, say 25 degrees C @ 85% RH your dew point is 22.3 degrees C, so condensation will occur from any temperature below that. The main point to take away here is that as long as your dark library is up to date there isn't much to gain going below zero except that the thermal noise will go up (a bit) but in a gentle fashion (in fact gentler than some more modern sensors). Also, the dark current is pretty small so you don't loose much with exposures up to 300s (and depending on your targets, up to 600s).

Thanks Andrea, I believe you are right regarding those numbers. I was hoping that the problem is in the sensor rather than outside the camera window. So looking at the ASHRAE Psychrometric chart N2, that considers dry bulb temperatures below -10 one can guess the limit of the residual RH that is allowed inside, it has to be below 10%RH, even 20% should be fine, but if the problem is the external part of the front window...you are right, no way to avoit it, however the external heater should help a lot, and there are not unique results with that heater, some people claim that solves the problem but not always, so, it is a kind of trial and error.
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DalePenkala 19.38
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I’m sorry to hear this! I think if it were me I’d reach out to ZWO and explain to them the situation and I’d even include the link to this thread here on AB and see what they say. Even if you had to send it in for service at least they’d have gone through it and verify that it is up to “there” standards and make sure the camera’s functioning correctly. Just my 2 cents worth at this point.
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andreatax 9.89
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ZWO 294MC camera isn't sealed so no matter what you think you do there will always be ways for humidity to make its way into the camera, where it can condense and release latent heat.  The tablets might work in a sealed, contained environment not a leaky one so don't put any faith in them, especially in areas with high humidity.
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When I was doing traveler work I stored my cameras in a desiccated Dry Box when not in use. Now being in a high desert single digit humidity environment there is no longer a need…best, Dave
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Gondola 8.11
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I always thought that specification was about the power of the cooling system, not the ability to avoid frosting over. I haven't checked but I don't think there's anything in the specifications about dew point or humidity limits.
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hughsie 0.90
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My 294MC has operated well for 4 years until this Summer when I first experienced dew on the sensor. I found cooling down the camera to my target temp of -10c over 60 minutes worked ok but was a pain especially as I was able to cool it down previously over 15 mins. In the end I replaced the tablets, given I had owned the camera so long, and this so far has worked fine.
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MikeHuerto 2.39
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Akshay,

I had this problem with my 294MC, what worked for me was adding a bit of grease to the rubber seal, and using the NINA camera cooling tool to cool it to -15C over a 30 minute period.  

Prior to that, I did try drying the entire camera, with the chamber lid ajar  in a dessicant container, as well as replacing the desicant tablets - none of which solved the problem. 

Only other comment, is that my frozen blotch was considerable smaller than yours and apeared as a circular blotch in the central 10-20% of the sensor.  

Best

Mike
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DalePenkala 19.38
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Mike Dobres:
Akshay,

I had this problem with my 294MC, what worked for me was adding a bit of grease to the rubber seal, and using the NINA camera cooling tool to cool it to -15C over a 30 minute period.  

Prior to that, I did try drying the entire camera, with the chamber lid ajar  in a dessicant container, as well as replacing the desicant tablets - none of which solved the problem. 

Only other comment, is that my frozen blotch was considerable smaller than yours and apeared as a circular blotch in the central 10-20% of the sensor.  

Best

Mike

The light grease on the rubber o-ring is a good idea certainly worth giving it a try!

I agree with you about the blotch you’re talking about. I mention that it looks different then mine earlier in this thread.
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