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CraigT82 1.20
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I use a method for checking the primary collimation on my Newtonian, and it’s beginning to occur to me that it could be automated to work in real time if an app could be developed to do it…. Full disclosure I have ZERO programming skills.

What I do is collimate the scope and then put the imaging train back in and capture an image of a star field.

Then I take that image and put into a CAD programme to draw lines along the vectors dictated by the comatic stars, I do this for about 5-10 stars, enough to give me an idea of where they are all pointing to. I.e the centre of the field where there is zero coma (the sweet spot).

Note I don’t use a coma corrector. If a coma corrector was used in the imaging train it would need to be removed for this test to work.

I also overlay a circle depicting the diffraction limited zone, to scale on the image. I place this circle with its centre on the point of converging lines (or best fit of).

This all takes me about 5 mins in CAD. If the circle is well away from centre of the sensor I redo collimation, if not then I leave it.

Example images below.

Id like to somehow automate the process of drawing the lines and the centering of the circle overlay, so I could adjust the primary collimation to get the circle in the centre of the chip in real time, with the feed from the camera refreshing the image after each adjustment, and the app redrawing the lines/circle after each new image.

Does anyone know how difficult an app like this would be be? I’m considering paying someone to make it but have literally no idea how much it would cost.

I appreciate not everyone would want to remove their coma corrector to do this so its usefulness to others is limited. 

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Thanks!
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danwatt 3.31
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I believe something similar is available as an experimental feature in Sharpcap.
https://docs.sharpcap.co.uk/3.2/22_Collimation.htm
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CraigT82 1.20
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Dan Watt:
I believe something similar is available as an experimental feature in Sharpcap.
https://docs.sharpcap.co.uk/3.2/22_Collimation.htm

That looks good, I’ll download sharpcap and have a play. Thank you
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Alexn 12.25
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If its already available in SharpCap, then use that. 

Doing this in code would not be particularly difficult - especially if AI was trained to understand the task at hand. Doing it manually in code would depend greatly on what tools were out there to read the FITS file, detect and analyze stars, find the eccentricity of the stars etc… Once you have that part of the process handled, which doing from scratch would be painful, you need only take the most eccentric 25% of stars that were not completely saturated, then draw a line intersecting the calculated centroid and the inner most and outter most edge of the elipsoid…, then highlight the intersection of those lines. 

The problems that would potentially arise would be that if your camera sensor is off center, you're collimating to the sensor, not to the optical center of the focuser, also if the secondary mirror is off center with the focuser tube, on the right angle, but not in the right position for/aft in the tube, your calculated sweetspot will look 'off'.

It will have no idea if your primary or secondary are misaligned either.

There's a host of issues that could arise from a software collimation process that works on detected stars… 

However, you could also consider something that works on a defocused star, measuring the center of the secondary obstruction shadow and its location within the stars out of focus disk. Again, this won't necessarily help you collimate from scratch, but if you've confirmed the secondary is 100% perfect manually, this would certainly help you to nail down the primary mirror collimation fairly quickly…
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Gondola 8.11
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That seems like a lot of work to collimate a newt.
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danwatt 3.31
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Tony Gondola:
That seems like a lot of work to collimate a newt.

Not worth it to perform this every single time you setup, but if one is in an observatory it's a useful method to verify collimation before signing off on the setup and letting it rip. I'll also note that nobody should 100% trust a single collimation method until you can check and verify it against other collimation techniques.

I do not have an observatory so I am often setting up multiple times a month when I make trips out to dark sites in the desert. My cheshire/autocollimator combo is my fastest method of collimation so I'll use that when I'm out in the field. But I feel confident in my tools because I was able to take the time at home and verify their accuracy with star testing and tools such as the OCAL.

I am usually imaging at f3 so there is almost zero wiggle room for collimation error. This is part of the price one pays for speed.
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Gondola 8.11
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I think that's absolutely true. I know for me, the gold standard is the star test. If that's good then it's time to worry about other things like tilt and sag.
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