Will you upgade to Windows 11, or which alternatives do you consider? Other · HR_Maurer · ... · 15 · 602 · 0

HR_Maurer 2.86
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Hi all,
as certainly everybody knows, Windows 10 will end its support in about one year. So far, i've been supplanting this, but all of my astronomy software and software licenses are for Windows: Pixinsight, some PI scripts, Adobe, NINA…
However, i dont want to buy new PCs, nor do i like to have a screenshot of my desktop sent to Microsoft every 5 seconds, or to be hassled by Microsoft to buy this or that, or to create a Microsoft account.
On the other hand, i dont want to buy a MAC system and expensive new Licenses for apple. If there would be a solution i do not know of, to use my Software under Linux, this would be great. What do you think about this issue?

Clear Skies,
Horst
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andreatax 9.89
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Is a non-issue.
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maze 1.51
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Running on W11 since some time on multiple rig with N.I.N.A., Pixinsight and so on.
No problem so far.
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philbart 0.00
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Hi Horst,

After 30 years using a Windows environment, I made the plunge and migrated all of my PCs to Linux about six months ago. Like you, I used Nina and PixInsight.

PixInsight runs really well on Linux and around 50% faster than on Windows. I am using Kubuntu 24.04 which is recommended by PixInsight and is used as their development platform . I was also able to get GPU acceleration of all the BlurXterminator etc. packages.

Unfortunately, NINA will not run on Linux so I have migrated to Kstars Ekos. It has some really nice features, and tracking, plate-solving, focus, polar alignment and everything is in the one package. Polar alignment is similar to SharpCap, but even easier. On first light, everything worked beautifully. Some features are a bit rough around the edges but so far it is holding up ok. It isn't quite as intuitive to use as NINA, so expect a little work setting it up.

Definitely, Linux requires a reasonable amount of computer literacy, but I've been very happy with the transition. All of my spreadsheets and word processing migrated easily to LibreOffice … a very impressive feat considering how complex my worksheet formulas and graphs were. My recommendation would be to dual-boot your astro computer and trial it all before making any commitment. All the software is free and your PixInsight licences will transfer to Linux.

Linux has Gimp which might be a suitable replacement for Adobe Photoshop, if you don't have complex needs, or you can run your Windows 10 license in a virtual machine on top of Linux, and run it there when needed.

Good luck with your investigations.

Clear skies!

Philip
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webcubus 0.00
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Philip Bartlett:
Unfortunately, NINA will not run on Linux so I have migrated to Kstars Ekos.


KStars/Ekos is decent, but is such a huge step down from NINA I can't really imagine going back. Even if I felt compelled to ditch Windows, I would definitely leave it on my imaging PC.

I haven't had any issues running Windows 11 for many months on both my imaging Mini PC and my processing laptop.
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HR_Maurer 2.86
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It is not so much about issues. It is about the Microsoft hassle, frequent messages "buy this, install that", the hardware requirements despite "Windows 10 is the final version", screenshotting my desktop frequently and trying to access and steal my data wherever possible. I can't see this working for me in the long term. Even if i accept all these flaws, what happens next?
My hope is, that not everybody accepts this, and software developers react to this - and develop a linux-comaptible version of NINA for example.
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VicV 4.29
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However, i dont want to buy new PCs,..., or to create a Microsoft account.

If you create a bootable USB with the Windows Media Creation Tool, you can install W11 on your existing PCs.

The creation of a Microsoft account can be avoided completely by entering a few simple command prompts during the setup screens:
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account
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apennine104 3.61
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I'm not a Microsoft fan, but have had no issues with Windows 11.

The Recall "feature" has been made opt-in, so the 5s screenshot concern I don't believe is happening, albeit alarming in general. 

You don't need a Microsoft Account to install Windows 11. I have used this workaround on several installs. 

RE: Pixinsight, the license you purchased is universal so it will work on any OS you install. I have my installs on PC and Mac. I'm sure Adobe would be a nightmare though...
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smcx 3.61
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To be honest, I don’t see it as an “upgrade”.  It feels like they put less development into it.
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Paulinho 5.01
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Hi, Horst.

On my mount/scope setup, I have a Mele Quieter Q2 that came with Windows 11 Pro pre-installed.  I recently upgraded to the 4C, also with Windows 11 Pro pre-installed.  I run NINA, PHD2, ASCOM/EQMOD, SharpCap, Remote Desktop etc..  Both PCs work flawlessly.

My PC for processing has Windows 11 Home.  I run PixInsight, Photoshop etc. and all sorts of other stuff for work.  Again, works flawlessly.
All of these PC's are less than 2 years old.

On my slightly older laptop, I upgraded from Windows 10 to 11 and went back to WIndows 10 as it did not work reliably; ditto on my wife's.  So the age/tech of your machine will likely be a consideration.  You can upgrade to Windows 11 and revert if you need to, at least you could when I tried it over a year ago.

Cheers.
Paul
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jrista 11.18
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Windows 11 is a much needed improvement over previous versions of Windows. I've been using Windows since the 90s. I've also used Linux extensively, as well as MacOS X.

I use MacOS X regularly for work, and there are a lot of things I don't like about it, and I am constantly fighting with it, how it works. I'm most proficient with the command line there, and most of my work is on the command line, and I'd say that is the best feature of OS X. I spend as little time in Finder as I can…worst file manager I've ever used, to be quite frank (many, many Linux file managers are VASTLY superior, as is Windows Explorer, IMO.) Outside of that, I would generally prefer to use Windows or Linux.

Linux is fine, if you are a technical type who loves fiddling and tweaking. Linux is not as easy to use, even when you are using one of the simpler and more nicely packaged distributions. It is also less compatible overall, and your choices will be limited. I like Linux, but for a day to day operating system that I need to get things done, need maximum productivity with, etc….I wouldn't generally choose linux. I love to fiddle, and I'm very technical, and I enjoy playing around with linux. For server stuff (which I do a lot in my day job), linux is generally the preferred option as it can be much lighter weight than Windows. It has a great command line system, and I love the command line. For business purposes, Linux is a top choice. For desktop based interactive daily productivity work, though, including photography and astrophotography stuff…its definitely not my first choice. It may be faster, but there is more to productivity than the raw performance of your OS. 

For day to day productivity, IMO, nothing beats Windows these days. People complain a lot about it, but having used windows extensively for decades now, Windows 11 was really a huge improvement over previous versions of Windows. Its like the modern day Windows 7, which at the time was kind of the same thing…the best windows to date at that time. It solved problems that kept plaguing the OS since the Windows 98/ME/Vista days. Windows 11 is kind of the same, solving so many of the problems that plagues windows in the 8/8.1/10 days. Windows 10 was ok, but it had so many inconsistencies and quirks, and while it solved some of hte problems of Windows 8, it introduced so many more of its own.

I don't really know why so many people complain about Windows 11, and in all honesty when I first upgraded to it (built a brand new computer in the spring of 2023, fresh install of windows), I was rather apprehensive. But to my delight, Windows 11 actually proved to be a breath of fresh air. I expected it to be horrible, and instead it was VASTLY more consistent in UI structure, flow, behavior, and functionality than Windows 10, 8.1 or 8. It was VASTLY more stable (I've never once had any crashes, instability or other issues with it). It is VASTLY more reliable (always had sleep and hibernate issues with Windows 10, and that has actually been a long term issue with Windows throughout the decades) , and I can sleep or hibernate and resume as much as I like without issue. This has been quite a boon, as I prefer to let the system sleep, then hibernate, fairly quickly to save energy, and it works like a charm now. Love it. Windows 11 is much faster than any of its predecessors. Its compatible with all current hardware. It supports all current networking protocols, and I recently found that Comcast had automatically updated me to 1200mbps internet (no cost increase), and after upgrading my wifi router and cable modem, the wireless speeds have been insane, and connectivity has been impeccably reliable. 

I could go on, but suffice it to say, I've honestly, despite my original trepidation, been very pleased with Windows 11. I don't know why it took Microsoft this long to produce an OS like this, but hopefully they don't mess it up, as W11 has been wonderful. Without having to worry about the OS' stability, I really can just get down to business (which is mostly what I do on my windows machines these days) and work. That includes running astrophotography software, all of which has been quite reliable (across a number of machines, including my on-mount PC for controlling all my hardware.) 

So, if you are afraid of Windows 11, I would say don't be. Its a worthwhile upgrade and should improve things. I read so many horror stories and thus far, not a single one has ever materialized. I think its just a thing now, hating on Windows. In reality, I think people should really shift that hate to Microsoft itself, rather than windows, as the product seems to finally have stabilized quite nicely. Microsoft, on the other hand, still has their annoying policies and other issues. The ONLY thing I do not like about Windows 11 is that they still force updates on their users. I've always found that egregious, unnecessary, and quite often devastating to data and productivity when Microsoft decides they are going to force a reboot on you. Disgusting behavior, IMO. That said, I have had FAR, FAR fewer problems with updates with W11 than any previous version. They still happen, but they have become a lot more forgiving, with warnings of when they are going to occur and easy ways to push them out into the future (so they don't disrupt your current endeavors, like running your AP gear!!) Its easy to schedule when updates happen, and I always schedule them to run during the DAYTIME on any system that I use to control my AP gear. So far, I have not had a windows reboot while imaging. I just make sure to run them during the day before the hard deadline, and its just never been an issue. I've also never encountered a case, yet, where a windows update broke any existing functionality (i.e. drivers or the like), which was one of the biggest longstanding horror stories about Windows 11…that updates broke some driver or software. I still LOATH the fact that they are forced, its a matter of principle for me, and I have always and will always find the practice despicable. However, its not nearly as much of a hateful problem as it was with prior versions of Windows, and I've been grateful for that.
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I still be using in my capture computer Win10, because his used only for that.. capture..
What I will do is the same that I made for my home server that is still running Win7 Pro. Before the end of the support, what I did was a full format and reinstall of the system with all the updates and configurations of the software and everything at hand.. like just plug and play and I made a clone of the SSD who runs the OS to an exact copy, even the same size and everything and let it in a shelf. Time to time I just boot that clone in order to put some electricity into the disk so he won't die. When I need to format or do major things in the OS, I just go to the clone and clone to the work SSD. Everything from the format to the clonning let me about of work. After I went to that aproach I made that for all my home computers. All of them have a clone copy. What tooked me about 4 days to format, program everything again, test.. etc. now.. takes two hours. That also saved my in using system updates in case of the microsoft or apple completly took down the OS support.

I hope this helped in some way.. For me works beautifully and never ever had any problems regarding security or virus, etc.

Regards,

Cesar
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JamesR 6.35
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It is not so much about issues. It is about the Microsoft hassle, frequent messages "buy this, install that", the hardware requirements despite "Windows 10 is the final version", screenshotting my desktop frequently and trying to access and steal my data wherever possible. I can't see this working for me in the long term. Even if i accept all these flaws, what happens next?
My hope is, that not everybody accepts this, and software developers react to this - and develop a linux-comaptible version of NINA for example.

I have windows 11 on my work computer, and two mini PC's that run two of my rigs.  I'm not getting popups about "buy this, install that".

The part about windows screenshotting your desktop is related to AI PC's.  These PC's need additional hardware called a DPU.  I do not believe any are out yet.  The MS announcement about the screenshots is related to how it;s AI is going to work with these AI/Co Pilot PCs.  A PC that lacks a DPU won't have this feature anyway.

From what I have seen older PC's that support Windows 11 actually ran soother after upgrading to Windows 10. 

Yes.. MS is being a PIA but most of the annoying and questionable stuff they are doing can be disabled or bypassed.
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arispopegolf@gmail.com 1.43
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Over a year with it now no issues. Nina, Ascom, Phd2, Pixinsight etc all working. Seamless.
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zermelo 7.22
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Windows 11 works great. I upgraded both my working laptop and personal desktop a few months ago, I don't regret anything. I feel as good as I felt on Windows 10, but with a newer OS with more life and support to come.

As several have said above, it's a no brainer.
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