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I recently finished modifying my newtonian which started its life as a 10" f/5 GSO. I had swapped the steel tube out for a TSOptics CF replacement (3mm thick) about 3 years ago but had never really been satisfied. I swapped the focuser for a Feathertouch r/p. I replaced the secondary spider with the TS-Optics Massive Metal Spider, which helped a little, but the primary cell just constantly disappointed me; collimation was elusive and temporary. Likewise the primary mirror quality was meh. It was massive and took forever to cool down, even with a fan. If the scope had been sitting in the afternoon sun I would be cursed with triangular stars for hours as the cork in there would grip and pinch the mirror. I looked with envy at the ONTC scopes and read much about them with their three different primary positions and their better cell but I really liked the way the Aurora Precision EQ cells looked. The only problem was the GSO design really didn't leave any room to swap out the primary cell. 

Ultimately I realized if I upgraded the mirror to a f/4.5 it would give me the necessary room to move the cell forward in the existing OTA. I ended up deciding on an Astroreflect 255 f/4.5 borosilicate as it would be a slight upgrade from the GSO mirror as well and would hopefully improve the cooling time. I also figured it was a good time to swap out my smaller secondary with a TS-Optics 100mm one for a flatter illumination plane.

The Aurora Precision 10" EQ cell arrived in about a week. Mike was extremely helpful when I reached out with questions and before long I had the new secondary mounted, new mirror centered in the cell, the three different mounting hole sets (a la ONTC) drilled for my different coma correctors (Paracorr, Maxfield, and Nexus), and the primary cell mounted. There was officially no more hardware left from the original scope... every nut, bolt, and part had been replaced. Had I just purchased an ONTC scope right off the bat, I would have saved about $600 bucks (price of the original GSO) but I never would have gained the experience and knowledge that this process has given me.

Collimation was logarithmically more precise, and for the first time, collimation will hold not only through the night, but for multiple nights. Stars were immediately tighter and my Bortle 8 first light (60 mins) on M51 showed more core detail than my 27 hour integration that I had gathered previously. I'm able to image with the fan on all night and still have eccentricity limited only by my guiding. A dewshield to guard the secondary and a the primary fan keep imaging dew-free all night.

M51 - AP26MC first light + increasing integration test


Originally I thought I would have to swap out my thinly walled 3mm CF tube for a thicker 7mm one but ultimately this proved not to be the case. I 3-D printed a stabilizing insert for the inner wall below my focuser, and 3-D printed broad reinforcement anchors for my secondary spider and primary cell mounting points and these provide all the stability I need along with some embroidery hoops that I've tightened down around the OTA.

Ultimately, the point of this post is to give a shout out to Mike at Aurora Precision for his customer service and high quality product. If I build another scope I will definitely be reaching out to him to use another one of his EQ cells.
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jheppell 3.21
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Yes the learning experience from pulling apart the scope and making modifications in invaluable. Sounds like you've done well.
My Newt is a Skywatcher 250 Quattro. But I must admit I've made enough changes that there's not a lot of Skywatcher left in it! The primary mirror, mirror cell, and OTA tube are about all that's original.
I also observed the cork pads would grip and pinch the mirror. My solution to this problem was to use nylon pads instead of cork. Worked a treat. To further stabilize collimation, I replaced the very weak stock primary mirror springs with MUCH stronger ones. It holds collimation for weeks easily. Without the stronger springs, the mirror cell would clunk around when the scope slews.
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Thank you Jacob. Yes I tried much stronger springs as well. There was just too much motion/sloppiness in the adjustment screws to maintain decent collimation more than a few hours. The nylon pads does sound like a worthwhile idea indeed. I don't have any firsthand experience with the Skywatcher 250 Quattro but it does seem to start out a bit higher quality than the GSO. I'm just thankful my stubbornness was stronger than my frustration these last 4 years.

And yes, the experience of putting together a scope from scratch has been fantastic and gives me much better understanding of the mechanics and factors involved.

Ryan
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I fell down the same rabbit hole myself. Bought a 10" Quatro f4. I replaced the tube rings with Parallax rings, dovetail plates with wide ADM plates, focuser with 2.5" Moonlight with stepper, Spider and secondary with Protostar HD spider and secondary holder and secondary mirror with an Antares 14th wave mirror. After having what I thought was collimation issues, I finally tested the primary mirror only to find it had a turned edge and a central hole.  I had to send the mirror to 3 different places before I finally managed to get it re-figured. Mike Lockwood did a great job on the mirror with a better that .98 Strehl Ratio.
I agree that buying a premium scope in the 1st place would have been cheaper than the route I took. Live and learn, right?

Dave
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noon 2.97
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Live and learn indeed!

Ryan
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Sorry to dig this up, but I spent the last year and half on the similar journey, but with a 12"f/4. I too have the Aurora Precision EQ and it is a work of art. I did had 3 more tube supports to the cell, but I think that is a result of the Kluas CF tube on the primary end being made for the GSO cell and thus it is thinner than the rest of the OTA wall at 7mm. I do have a slight collimation shift, but I think it has to do with the thin section I have to mount my AP cell on. The last gremlin I was chasing with the collimation issue was with the Moonlight CFL 2.5 focuser, it does shift under a mono camera, filter, etc… So I upgraded to a Nitecrawler and that solved that part.

Live and learn for sure, I would of gotten a normal tube if I had known I would be in the place.

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noon 2.97
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Yeah at this point the OTA seems to be the weakest point in my build. I have reached out to the company that took over for Klaus but haven’t finalized my design to send them for a quote.
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sgthebert 2.81
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Since the thread got resurected, how do you find the AstroReflect mirror so far?
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pmumbower 0.00
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I did not realize that a company took over for Klaus, his website is still active. Is there a website for this company?
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Médéreic,
I feel the AstroReflect is definitely an upgrade from the GSO f/5 and it was a reasonable price. Being f/4.5 it allowed me to mount it farther into the tube so I could modify my existing CF tube for use with the Aurora Precision Cell. It isn't perfect, There is a blemish in the silvering off to one side, but overall it hasn't affected the sharpness. The edge is ground fairly evenly and the only spikes/flares that come off the primary (other than the secondary spikes) are the tiny little retention clips from the Aurora Precision cell. It could be corrected with a mirror mask but I haven't bothered yet. The overall detail I pull out is much higher than the original mirror/cell, but I think the mirror cell is most of that with the stability it provides. 

Pete,
Yeah I sent an email to the address on Klaus' website some months ago and got a reply from MD Composites Technology GmbH saying they were taking over Klaus' production.

MD Composites Technology GmbH
Streeker Straße 5 b
26446 Friedeburg

E-Mail: j.laemmle (at) md-group.tech
Web:   www.md-composites.de
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Gondola 8.11
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That's the great thing about Newts, you can get in there and make improvements as wanted or needed. The design space is large and it's easy to mod or build from scratch to exactly meet your needs.
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Hey noon, thanks for the detailed review!  I too have been performing my very own 'ship of Theseus' with a 14" f/4.5 I made back in 2010.  My old mirror cell was silicon adhesive'd to the primary and I've come to the conclusion that it might be time to upgrade.  I assume you got the EQ mirror cell.  Can you describe the process you had working with Aurora?
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Hey Michael,

You are correct, I ordered the EQ-10 Tube version.

It was pretty straight forward: I placed the order on the site (aurorap dot com), got an order confirmation and another email that said it would ship out in three weeks. It shipped on time and arrived well packaged in perfect condition. I already knew the cell diameter would work on the OTA that I had, so it was just a matter of me measuring and drilling the holes in the proper location and I had it up and running.

I had a little issue with fan vibration a few months later and I reached out to Mike. He responded quickly with his hypothesis (slightly loose mounting screws) and walked me through the adjustment process. He stated that if that didn't work for some reason, then it may be a poorly balanced fan and that he would send out a replacement. I followed the directions and it solved the issue immediately; it was slightly loose screws as suspected. I applied a drop of loctite, as he recommended, and there have been no issues since.  

I ended up 3D printing a 120mm fan holder that fits into a foam plug that blocks light out of the back end of my OTA and pushes air onto the back of the primary. I run it with a PWM controller at about 25%. I'd probably just do this in the future instead of including the fan with the primary cell, but that is just me. The one that came installed worked great, I just wanted more light blocking.

Overall 5 out of 5, would buy again. If I ever decided to build a 12" newt down the road, I would not hesitate to put one of his cells in there.
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