Hi there,
This might be a delicate question but I am puzzled about the way images are displayed, viewed, and liked. First of all, I would like to point out that this is not to comment on specific images.
I note that many images which get displayed on the front page of AB get tremendous numbers of likes. Even those with a limited number of likes have significant views already hours after they have assumedly been posted. Now, I note that my images not only receive very low numbers of likes but also are viewed by only a small number of persons. Also, none of my latest images got a single proposal for Top Picks. Of course, my images may not be of the same quality as others but I wouldn't consider them that bad (very subjective, I know…).
I keep asking myself if there is any hidden trick like any algorithm cheat code which anyone but me knows or if my selection of targets is simply too boring for the crowd?
I'm by no means in a bad mood, just trying to understand if I am doing something extremely wrong.
Thanks for any ideas on this - much appreciated!
Cheers,
Stefan
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All the published images can be displayed on the front page – there's a check box to opt in, in the "publish" form.
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Hi, correct and my images will be shown on the front page after publishing. However, it takes only minutes until they are so far down that probably only few people scroll down that far.
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Every time someone likes, comments, or bookmarks an image, that image gets back at the top of the list. A form of "positive feedback" – in the control theory sense.
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I think you can encourage more engagement by following more people who will then potentially follow you back. With more followers you'll likely get more likes/comments/engagement, pushing your images back onto the homepage each time and improving your chances at getting likes from others.
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I view Astrobin as a social media site without the negativity.
Like any social media you have to work hard if you want to get lots of likes/reception by following, contributing/commemting and participating.
That is not to say that quality will not play a role in likes etc, but all other things being equal, the more you participate the more notice you will get.
Of course it is also perfectly OK not to participate in this way. I lurked for quite some time on this site - but not nearly as long here as on some others - because of the welcoming and overwhelmingly positive community here.
CS Brian
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Francesco Meschia:
Every time someone likes, comments, or bookmarks an image, that image gets back at the top of the list. A form of "positive feedback" – in the control theory sense. This is all there is to it, no other factors. You can switch from feed view to "recent uploads" view, and the feed view is images with recent activity. It's updated every minute and there is no special treatment for subscription tier or anything. If people like your image, it will float at the top for longer, because people keep liking it and keeps resurfacing. Eventually all people who would have liked it will have liked it and it will sink down in the pages. Sometimes somebody searches for something, stumbes on your image, gives it a like, and then you get a bunch new like as more people see it.
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Francesco Meschia:
Every time someone likes, comments, or bookmarks an image, that image gets back at the top of the list. A form of "positive feedback" – in the control theory sense. That is the critical point. That means that your image may be briefly on the first part of the main page but given how many bookmarks and likes other images are getting all the time (not to mention other images newly posted), that will probably last less than a minute. It is common to post an image and then go to the main page only to find it way down the page. That is Just the way it works. So the short version is that AB is a very busy site!  |
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Salvatore Iovene:
Francesco Meschia:
Every time someone likes, comments, or bookmarks an image, that image gets back at the top of the list. A form of "positive feedback" – in the control theory sense.
This is all there is to it, no other factors. You can switch from feed view to "recent uploads" view, and the feed view is images with recent activity.
It's updated every minute and there is no special treatment for subscription tier or anything.
If people like your image, it will float at the top for longer, because people keep liking it and keeps resurfacing. Eventually all people who would have liked it will have liked it and it will sink down in the pages.
Sometimes somebody searches for something, stumbes on your image, gives it a like, and then you get a bunch new like as more people see it. The real question then becomes -- at what time does the homepage receive the most user traffic/activity? That's when you should post your images. But releasing information like that to the public might just result in the homepage getting flooded at the same time every day, so please just send that info to me in a private message. ;)
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Brian Poole:
That's when you should post your images. If you post at times of littler overall activity, you might spend more time at the top but with fewer eyeballs. If you post at a time with larger overall activity, your image might drown in the rest of the activity but also have more eyeballs. Ultimately, there's a reason why every other site does personal feeds, so eventually I might go that way, but keep it based on interests such as equipment and image types, and not on algorithmic engagement.
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Salvatore Iovene:
Brian Poole:
That's when you should post your images.
If you post at times of littler overall activity, you might spend more time at the top but with fewer eyeballs. If you post at a time with larger overall activity, your image might drown in the rest of the activity but also have more eyeballs.
Ultimately, there's a reason why every other site does personal feeds, so eventually I might go that way, but keep it based on interests such as equipment and image types, and not on algorithmic engagement. Please don't. Algorithms have ruined social media. The current way you have it set up is perfectly acceptable.
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"Engagement driven" algorithms have ruined social media, which is not the same as a curated feed based on your user-controlled preferences. E.g.
- I want to see more/fewer images with the same equipment as mine
- I want to see more/fewer images with celestial subject I have / I haven't imaged
- I want to see more/fewer images from people I follow
- I want to see more/fewer images from people in my country
and so on.
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I'm on this site because I love doing the hobby, regardless of likes. I don't view this hobby as a contest. Some of my work is more on the scientific side with less visual appeal, but who cares? I do it because I love doing it and doing it well. If I somehow knew an image I have would get zero likes but had high scientific value, I would post it regardless.
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Salvatore Iovene:
Francesco Meschia:
Every time someone likes, comments, or bookmarks an image, that image gets back at the top of the list. A form of "positive feedback" – in the control theory sense.
This is all there is to it, no other factors. You can switch from feed view to "recent uploads" view, and the feed view is images with recent activity.
It's updated every minute and there is no special treatment for subscription tier or anything.
If people like your image, it will float at the top for longer, because people keep liking it and keeps resurfacing. Eventually all people who would have liked it will have liked it and it will sink down in the pages.
Sometimes somebody searches for something, stumbes on your image, gives it a like, and then you get a bunch new like as more people see it. Its kind of funny how this can work sometimes. I am occasionally stunned by a flurry of likes with an image from a couple of years ago. An image that I thought was put to bed over a year prior! Yet there are always new people who will search for certain objects and I suppose those images that get resurrected are ones that they stumbled upon and decided to like. Once it gets back to the top of the list, all the new people who have joined AB in the last year or two see it basically as a new image and will often like it! I have done so myself, not really paying attention as to the date that it was first published. And that is ok! But as stated above, as you build followers through participation, any image will get liked more and stay active in the upper cycle for longer. Regarding the best time to publish, I think this depends on where you are as far as numbers of followers here on AB. I have noticed that it no longer really matters when I publish. The first few likes are likely from the front page and it is new (non-followers) who are liking. However, with some of my regular followers, they may not get to liking the image until a day or so later. Then it continues to build. I also have noticed some other interesting statistical things around hits on my images, but I won't get into that here.
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Yes, I would strongly advise against trying to second-guess the system re: posting at a specfic time of day or year.
As a southern hemisphere dweller, I do note a fall off in views during my winter, as
many Northern Hemisphereans have packed up for the summer.
However, I still post as and when I have an image. Sometimes it may not be the best I
can possibly do - but I also feel it is helpful to get things out there as part of the communal learning and development site that Astrobin quickly became for me.
Brian
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Quinn Groessl:
Salvatore Iovene:
Brian Poole:
That's when you should post your images.
If you post at times of littler overall activity, you might spend more time at the top but with fewer eyeballs. If you post at a time with larger overall activity, your image might drown in the rest of the activity but also have more eyeballs.
Ultimately, there's a reason why every other site does personal feeds, so eventually I might go that way, but keep it based on interests such as equipment and image types, and not on algorithmic engagement.
Please don't. Algorithms have ruined social media. The current way you have it set up is perfectly acceptable. ^^^ agreed!!!!
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Salvatore Iovene:
"Engagement driven" algorithms have ruined social media, which is not the same as a curated feed based on your user-controlled preferences. E.g.
- I want to see more/fewer images with the same equipment as mine
- I want to see more/fewer images with celestial subject I have / I haven't imaged
- I want to see more/fewer images from people I follow
- I want to see more/fewer images from people in my country
and so on. Very good ideas Sal!
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Even those with a limited number of likes have significant views already hours after they have assumedly been posted. This is because followers receive a notification of the new image being posted. And of course every follower who likes the image also pushes it back to the top of the homepage. Having many (active) followers is the most important thing to getting views and likes. Kevin
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