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Hi Salvatore,

This is extremely helpful, thank you so much and I will certainly continue to explore all the possibilities created. 

This was no easy change and I appreciate that many hours of consideration, as well as technical change, went into this. I concede that it appears all my edge cases are catered for. 

Much appreciated 
Rob
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siovene
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This was no easy change and I appreciate that many hours of consideration, as well as technical change, went into this. I concede that it appears all my edge cases are catered for.

I love it so much when somebody looks at the evidence and information provided and considers changing their mind after an initial instinctive response. Thank you!
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Douglas J Struble:
What's up with the new search engine? Seems to be less direct in finding targets. I don't like it at all. Please return back to the previous search engine.

I agree the new search just seems random. The old works great I’m glad we still have option to use the original. The image below are the search results returned, just by searching for Moon ! IMG_0766.png
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siovene
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Now try Moon in the old one. The backend is the same! You searched for moon as free text, so you’ll get results with people writing “moon” in their description in a random sentence.

Search for moon as a subject type and you’ll get only moons. The question is how much should astrobin try to read your mind and change your search? I can do it for moon because it makes sense, but I can’t try and make it “too smart for its own good” or it will be frustrating for people who actually want to perform that “open ended” search.

AstroBin provides you with tools but it cannot read your mind. You need to use the tools properly.

AstroBin actually informs you about this. There’s an “info” icon next the box that says “Press TAB for suggestions or ENTER to just search” that can explain things.
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siovene
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There you go, this edge case is solved, and it's one more thing that the new search page does compared to the old.

Btw, did you read this? https://welcome.astrobin.com/blog/introducing-the-new-astrobin-search-experience

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Salvatore,

Despite everything you say, the old search was simple and intuitive , and easy to navigate; the new one fails in all three respects.. The simple fact that it takes pages and pages of explanations  to describe how it works is a good indicator that it is an overly complex implementation.The old one was much better.
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Hi John,

I appreciate the feedback but can you motivate it with specific use-cases that are easier/faster to do in the old search page, so I can either fix it or show you how to do it as fast or faster in the new page?
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Salvatore,

Douglas Struble's post about searching for "moon" is a perfect example. of the problem I perceive There is no question that simply typing 'moon' and pressing enter was simpler and  easier to do, and most importantly, intuitive. The new search defaults to a free text search; it should default to a subject search. If users want to add any additional filters, they can choose to do so. By defaulting to a free text search, you require extra steps and keystrokes, and lots of explanation and experimentation, to get the most basic, and what I suspect is the most common, search performed: a simple subject search.

I also have problems trying to do a subject search. If I try to do a subject search for 'moon', it returns no results. If I search for 'Earth's Moon', as the tips suggest, it then returns just the moon images I was expecting. Interestingly, if I then clear all filters and do a free text search for moon, it continues to return just the moon images. Something is being 'remembered' or not cleared. I don't fully understand the behavior.

The new search provides a lot of extra features with all of the filters. I am not knocking them, they can be quite powerful, but they should be the option, not the requirement to do a basic subject search.
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Hi John,

thanks for addressing my question.
John Sokol:
There is no question that simply typing 'moon' and pressing enter was simpler and  easier to do, and most importantly, intuitive. The new search defaults to a free text search; it should default to a subject search.

Did you try it recently?

Because if you just type "moon" and press Enter, AstroBin recognizes that you want to see images of the moon and makes a search by "Subject type = Earth's moon".
John Sokol:
I also have problems trying to do a subject search. If I try to do a subject search for 'moon', it returns no results.

That's because the Subjects field (just like before, btw) looks at the annotations of plate-solved images. But I can do the same trick as above for the moon and other planets, so it just works. Thanks for the tip!
John Sokol:
Something is being 'remembered' or not cleared. I don't fully understand the behavior.

It's just the when you do a free text there are some hardcoded values that change your search type because AstroBin assumes that if you search for "moon" you want to see pictures of the moon, not pictures of the Andromeda galaxy where somebody typed "bright moon tonight" the description:

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John Sokol:
The new search provides a lot of extra features with all of the filters. I am not knocking them, they can be quite powerful, but they should be the option, not the requirement to do a basic subject search.

I don't understand this point. Nothing stops you from just typing a term and hitting Enter. You'll be missing out on the filters of course, but the interface is progressive in that way. Would you rather not have the filters for the sake of simplicity? Of course not. AstroBin's search is powerful because it has filters for most if not all the data associated to images, but until I add an AI to transform a text search to a bunch of filters, you'll have to acknowledge that AstroBin cannot read your mind and know what you want to search for, so you'll have to click a few buttons. And, sorry for repeating this, just as before!

Btw, the AI text-to-search-filters is not a bad idea! I can imagine even a microphone input where you can say stuff like "give me all images of M45 with a 200 mm newtonian when there was no moon" and AstroBin would automatically build the filter query
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