I just came home from work. Turned on the laptop and launched Astrobin.com from Chrome.
Not a fan of the new look. While it looks great and I am sure that the increased resolution of the images on the streams is wonderful. I do not have access to high speed internet as I live in a rural area and "city" speeds are not available. With this said, the new much, much longer download speeds on the streams just to populate the splash page are now too long and practically unsurfable… the ranking lists are now without pages. Pain in the rear end to find your "numbers" if your not at the top. Yesterday's Astrobin was great, Today's new and improved Astrobin not so much… I just might be an isolated case, but if I can use the old version… Were there a lot of request for these updates to the site? If I could get a faster internet connection, I would, but I already have the fastest available in my area so I can't update.
Sorry for the rant…
I really tend to be silent but a minute to load a page vs the 3 or 4 seconds is a big delta.
CS Tim
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There is a new look? if it's the new look I'm thinking you mean, I think it was added in a while ago, you can turn it off
go to settings - Preferences - scroll down, and click "enable new gallery experiences", click "no"
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Hi Tim,
sorry to hear this is not working out for you due to poor internet speed.
For what it's worth, I tested AstroBin as well as other major "image heavy" websites out there, simulating a 3G connection, and AstroBin actually fared better then others!
But I can probably improve something for you with very little effort. One key aspect, which is new and might affect you, is that AstroBin cancels and retries any request (other than the image files) that takes longer than 2 seconds, with an increasing timeout.
So say that AstroBin wants to request the next page from the front feed: if it doesn't work in 2 seconds, it cancels the request and tries again, this time with a timeout of 4 seconds. So if you're on a slow connection for which that request would take 3 seconds, now it's going to take 5.
Tomorrow I'll see if I can adjust this backoff strategy dynamically, and if not, I will just increase the first timeout, as this is merely a strategy to deal with the fact that occasionally requests might just hang for whatever reason. Given that, as per my stats, the average API request only takes 0.05s and only the slowest 1% of requests take more than 0.5s, I thought that 2s might be a good approach.
I'll test this ASAP (if I can't over the weekend, then on monday).
Images on the front page feed will also be a bit larger to download, but the alternative is compression (which would be fine for the front page feed, but I'm reusing one of the other image formats that is not compressed). I'll put this on my list to improve as well!
For the infinite scrolling on the astrophotographers list, rather than numbered pagination, that's a little bit on purpose. I don't think it's healthy to check whether one is in 1000th or 999th position for any of the metrics. You can see your values by searching for your name on that page.
Finally, to answer your question, you can use the old format for the front page and the images page by going to your preferences (last entry in the form).
In any case, I will try to address these speed concern on very low bandwidth connections as soon as possible.
Thanks!
Salvatore
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Thanks Oscar,
Not the issue, Already set to "no" and has been for awhile. Yesterday the members images on the home page were uniform in size and loaded quickly as one would expect with my connection as they always have. Now they are various sizes and look to be at a higher resolution. I have reloaded the home page many times and half at best populate. Most just show the broken link in the image window. Slow a molasses on a cold day. This for me came with the new look of the Astrophotographers list image index page. Now a single page that I have to scroll to get to my info vs just having a page in a tab on the browser.
Thanks for the reply!!!
CS Tim
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Tim Ray:
Not the issue, Already set to "no" and has been for awhile. Yesterday the members images on the home page were uniform in size and loaded quickly as one would expect with my connection as they always have. Now they are various sizes and look to be at a higher resolution. If you have "no" for the new gallery experience, the home page will be identical as before. Tim Ray:
Now a single page that I have to scroll to get to my info vs just having a page in a tab on the browser. You can search for your name, on that page. Bookmarking a specific page in your browser is not reliable anyway because one day you might be on a different page as the values chang.
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Not the issue, Already set to "no" and has been for awhile. Yesterday the members images on the home page were uniform in size and loaded quickly as one would expect with my connection as they always have. Now they are various sizes and look to be at a higher resolution. Oh, I see tho! If you're on one of the new pages, there's no "reverse redirect" that takes you back to the classic home page if you click on the home link from one such pages. I'll add that too :-)
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Just out of curiosity, what's your internet connection? I find the website to load very quickly and I'm in a more rural area where I use an antenna for my internet. I actually have the slowest speed available at 40Mbps down/10Mbps up.
Is it possible that you're either having connection issues? I wonder what would happen if you pinged astrobin.com via Command Prompt or Terminal.
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Brian Poole:
I wonder what would happen if you pinged astrobin.com via Command Prompt or Terminal. If I'm not mistaken, a ping will help you determine latency but not actual data transfer speed.
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Salvatore
Thanks for the response. Thanks for the testing of the speeds. I hope your tinkering will solve the problems. As far as the list page being unhealthy in its previous version is debatable. I used it to see the impact of a published image to my score, I personally could care less what my rank is. I produce the best images I can today and hopefully better images in the future. Someone will always be "better"!!! Really don't see the value of seeing a contributors avatar. We are all adults. Once again, I have seen countless post on the index itself, not on the layout of the page. BTW it took 3 minutes to load this page after clicking the thread link from the Home Page. I am not experiencing this latency on YouTube, or any other site at this time. Just with Astrobin…
CS Tim
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Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.26100.3476]
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C:\Users\timas>ping Astrobin.com
Pinging Astrobin.com [172.67.72.80] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 172.67.72.80: bytes=32 time=68ms TTL=50
Reply from 172.67.72.80: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=50
Reply from 172.67.72.80: bytes=32 time=37ms TTL=50
Reply from 172.67.72.80: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=50
Ping statistics for 172.67.72.80:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 32ms, Maximum = 68ms, Average = 44ms
C:\Users\timas>
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Are these ping times excessive??? IDK I don't see anything in the ping response to indicate to sudden slowdown from yesterday. I hope Salvatore is successful in diagnosis!
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Tim Ray:
I used it to see the impact of a published image to my score, But you can see your Image Index right next to your username at all times, at the top of the page, right? Also, just like before, you can search for your name? And even before, you could not see your ordinal ranking when searching for yourself, this has never been an option. And what's new, is that now the search by your name persists in the URL, so you can bookmark the following page: https://app.astrobin.com/explore/astrophotographers-list?q=Tim%20Ray#image-dataTim Ray:
BTW it took 3 minutes to load this page after clicking the thread link from the Home Page. Then this has nothing to do with the new UI. The forum is still unchanged, and has not been affected by any UI changes or infrastructural changes whatsoever, in a long time. If it takes you 3 minutes to open a forum post on AstroBin, there must be something wrong going on with your network or your computer. Can you try a different device to isolate whether this is a computer or network problem? Is your computer up-to-date with software updates and has it been rebooted recently? 99% of forum pages open faster than 244ms on AstroBin:  |
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Tim Ray:
Are these ping times excessive??? Those pings are fine but pings can indicate network latency, not speed. You can have a fast ping but a slow bandwidth, or viceversa.
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Salvatore Iovene:
Brian Poole:
I wonder what would happen if you pinged astrobin.com via Command Prompt or Terminal.
If I'm not mistaken, a ping will help you determine latency but not actual data transfer speed. It'll help diagnose if there's an issue between the client and server if packets are being dropped or there's a high latency though. Two separate questions for OP really: 1) what's your connection speed and 2) is there a connection issue? Tim Ray:
Are these ping times excessive??? IDK I don't see anything in the ping response to indicate to sudden slowdown from yesterday. I hope Salvatore is successful in diagnosis! Ping times look good. Do you know what your connection speed is by chance? You can just search Google for speed test and it'll show you a utility to do a speed test there.
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I use a 5G hotspot to connect to the Net. I don't have a copper or fiber option…
then its 5g wifi to the laptop from the hotspot.
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5G is not bad at all. Most mobile phones in cities use 5G and AstroBin is plenty fast in that scenario. Please try a speed test, and test with a different browser and/or device if possible, and then clear your cache, make sure your browser and OS are up-to-date, reboot… the usual troubleshooting  |
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.65Mbps download 1.3Mbps upload
results from Google internet connection speed test.
I know these are extremely slow speeds. But the "Old Look" worked, I am having a hard time with the "New Look". They probably have better internet on the ISS!!!!
CS
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My 3 min comment about clicking this page. When I go to the forum page from my home page its a quick as it has always been. when I click on this thread from the Astrobin home page from the latest topic section, it took several minutes.
I hope that helps
CS Tim
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.65Mbps download is extremely slow. It's not even 3G, which is early 2000s tech. What's coming most likely tomorrow, is that even when you click on the home page, a gallery page, or an image's page from a direct link to the new UI, you get redirected to the old one if that's your preferences. But with .65Mbps, I'm not sure that's the problem. And while I want to optimize things as much as possible, .65Mpbs is not the average AstroBin user, not even close. So I _will_ attempt to improve things for this scenario, but up to a certain point (priorities...) You can try it by going to https://www.astrobin.com/ (old) right now, and compare the speed with https://app.astrobin.com/ (new). How can it be fast with .65Mbps? Not to mention the fact that you reported the forum being really slow, and that's not affected by the new UI. I'll check any replies in the morning as it's now 1:40 AM and I'm still working :-)
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My system is static. No MS updates since yesterday, nothing has changed on my end. I rebooted the hotspot and router. All other internet surfing is as its always been. I am only having issues here, as described. The updates to the GUI are great. But they just might not be that great for me. I hope Salvatore can find a solution…
CS
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.65Mbps download 1.3Mbps upload
results from Google internet connection speed test.
I know these are extremely slow speeds. But the "Old Look" worked, I am having a hard time with the "New Look". They probably have better internet on the ISS!!!!
CS I suspect you have an issue with your internet connection and resolving that will likely provide you with a better experience on the site. The older look likely worked since you didn't have an issue with your hotspot and the two changes (poor connection and new look) happened around the same time as a coincidence. Sometimes those 5G hotspots can be a little finnicky. I'd recommend power cycling your 5G hotspot device and seeing if that helps. You may also need to reboot your router if it's a separate device. I know it's not really my place to provide support/answers here but I run into this on occasion doing what I do for a living.  |
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I do realize all the different ways I can access the Astrophotographers list. I also realize I have the numbers next to my name, all of it, Before I needed NO clicks to view it. It was a tab on my browser to my spot on this list… I liked it, it was convenient, it was MY user experience. I don't look for other people on the list, none of it. Now I don't have the same user experience in MY interaction with this site. This has nothing to do with the speed issue. I was experiencing 100% of the value I expected for my membership fee with my already slow internet speed. Now with the new look and the now apparent changes on how I have to use the site CHANGES my user experience. These are not back office changes like logging in, etc that are necessary and other things that Salvatore has done to protect User data or special pages like the uploader. But the new look GUI has changed the overall user experience. I am sure many are welcome changes and are well received by the membership. Just not this member.
CS
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Understood, Tim. I was just trying to help you with your speed issues. Obviously not everyone is going to be happy with website updates. Some of it was a bit of an adjustment for me as well.
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I think there might be a problem that I just discovered. Other that a RCC on a dataset post I made. This is the only other post I have been the originator. There may be a problem with this page. This topic has been up on the latest topics page close to the top for 3 hours. Curious as to why I have not seen any other comments to this thread. That is not like the Astrobin membership not to contribute meaningful feedback and possible solutions to these difficult challenges I am experiencing.
Please address so I can view what other paying members think.
CS Tim
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Being in a rural area I'm not sure that you are even getting 5G. There are even areas in large cities where the 5G signal doesn't work. It's likely that your router is stepping down to 4G Lite or even slower.
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