Hi All, Curious if anyone is seeing a consistent error with their MF? I used mine fine throughout the bulk of 2024...often in plan mode performing 2 MFs per night on two different targets...no issues. W/in the past two months, it hasn't completed a MF once. Twice now I've woken up to find the mount looking like the pictures below. Cable snags are not an issue...those cables have plenty of play and I've checked, are not snagging Included the log as well in case anyone has the same issue...shows multiple fails to solve the rest of the night.  Autorun_Log_2025-03-23_023617.txt |
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Might be an idea to ask your question on the ZWO forum as someone may have reported the issue as well. Just a thought.
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Usually issues like this are related to clock or location settings. I'd just double check, and make sure the correct settings are also synced to the mount.
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Brian Puhl:
Usually issues like this are related to clock or location settings. I'd just double check, and make sure the correct settings are also synced to the mount. Thanks...I was wondering the same thing. Lat/long looked right and I was running GMT/UTC on my iPad to control (as I've heard DST can cause problems...eventhough that shouldn't be an issue until the Fall). Will study the mount's specific settings/clock more closely on next outing
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Chris:
Brian Puhl:
Usually issues like this are related to clock or location settings. I'd just double check, and make sure the correct settings are also synced to the mount.
Thanks...I was wondering the same thing. Lat/long looked right and I was running GMT/UTC on my iPad to control (as I've heard DST can cause problems...eventhough that shouldn't be an issue until the Fall).
Will study the mount's specific settings/clock more closely on next outing Presuming you're using NINA.... As long as the time is correct for your location, use the sync to mount option. If you changed your time on your ipad to GMT and not your own time zone.... and it synced, then I think we found your issue.
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Brian Puhl:
Chris:
Brian Puhl:
Usually issues like this are related to clock or location settings. I'd just double check, and make sure the correct settings are also synced to the mount.
Thanks...I was wondering the same thing. Lat/long looked right and I was running GMT/UTC on my iPad to control (as I've heard DST can cause problems...eventhough that shouldn't be an issue until the Fall).
Will study the mount's specific settings/clock more closely on next outing
Presuming you're using NINA.... As long as the time is correct for your location, use the sync to mount option.
If you changed your time on your ipad to GMT and not your own time zone.... and it synced, then I think we found your issue. Would love that were the truth...but sadly no. On the previous instance, this occurred when I was controlling the mount via my iPhone, the ASIAIR app on standard EST.
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Check NINA log, if you were using NINA.
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Check NINA log, if you were using NINA. Just using the ASIAIR. Its log is attached above. Chris
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The log says the ASIAIR failed to solve upon flipping (or not). This seems more a firmware issue if it failed to perform the flip without the software being aware of it.
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Just using the ASIAIR. Its log is attached above.
Chris I own and use 3 Asiairs, occasionally they do stupid quirky stuff like this because they are a $300 computer and they can act it. Since yours is doing it continuously, it appears yours may just have gone bad.. I would go reset everything , all the settings back to scratch, do any updates you might have missed and try again. Zwo makes cool affordable products but when things go bad (I have had to find local repair people to do fixes on 2 cameras I own) You are out of luck, I don't think they have any kind of repair service. I hope it is not a Mount issue, that could be a much harder fix.
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Hi Chris
I had a similar problem about a month back - using NB filters. Looking at the logs, although the ASIAir detected 500 stars in the 2sec exposure, I suspect most were noise. After increasing the integration time to 10sec, I had no further problems.
I wish I could use NINA, but it is PC program. And no, I am too old to use a windows emulator. [More expense]. If you can't write a Mac version, I ain't buying.
I did post on the AISAir and some helpful folks provided me with a diagnosis - if not the solution.
CS Brian
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ill take a punt on a usb cable issue leading to a driver crash or something.
check non of your usb cables are under any pressure/tension and can work loose while meridian flipping.
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Brian Boyle:
Hi Chris
I had a similar problem about a month back - using NB filters. Looking at the logs, although the ASIAir detected 500 stars in the 2sec exposure, I suspect most were noise. After increasing the integration time to 10sec, I had no further problems.
I wish I could use NINA, but it is PC program. And no, I am too old to use a windows emulator. [More expense]. If you can't write a Mac version, I ain't buying.
I did post on the AISAir and some helpful folks provided me with a diagnosis - if not the solution.
CS Brian Thank you Brian very helpful...that very well might be the cause. Last night was a broadband filter but its worth a shot...so you increased exposure time of which setting exactly?
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Chris:
Brian Boyle:
Hi Chris
I had a similar problem about a month back - using NB filters. Looking at the logs, although the ASIAir detected 500 stars in the 2sec exposure, I suspect most were noise. After increasing the integration time to 10sec, I had no further problems.
I wish I could use NINA, but it is PC program. And no, I am too old to use a windows emulator. [More expense]. If you can't write a Mac version, I ain't buying.
I did post on the AISAir and some helpful folks provided me with a diagnosis - if not the solution.
CS Brian
Thank you Brian very helpful...that very well might be the cause. Last night was a broadband filter but its worth a shot...so you increased exposure time of which setting exactly? Hi Chris, I think it is on the telescope menu, where you can set the exposure time for taking plate solving images CS Brian
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Failure happened again last night. I set an alarm to wake up and catch it. This is frustrating however...as last year I executed multiple plans (two targets, two diff meridian flips..no problems). I increased the flip exposure time to 10s...still no dice. Something clearly happened since I updated the ASIAIR software. I think I'm going to try and reset the Air and start from scratch as @Dan Kearl suggested. Will keep everyone posted. How does one use NINA again? mini PC? ugh... Just thinking about the switch away from the Air causes heartburn...
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Chris:
Failure happened again last night. I set an alarm to wake up and catch it. This is frustrating however...as last year I executed multiple plans (two targets, two diff meridian flips..no problems).
I increased the flip exposure time to 10s...still no dice. Something clearly happened since I updated the ASIAIR software. I think I'm going to try and reset the Air and start from scratch as @Dan Kearl suggested.
Will keep everyone posted.
How does one use NINA again? mini PC? ugh... Just thinking about the switch away from the Air causes heartburn... If you try and go the NINA-PC route you will be glad you did.
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Select the "i" icon and make sure "New Plate Solve" is NOT checked. I started having plate solve issues the last week and finally discovered that it was checked last night.
I didn't do it.
Unchecked it and everything started working fine again. ZWO either needs to fix it or take it out.
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Tony Gondola:
Chris:
Failure happened again last night. I set an alarm to wake up and catch it. This is frustrating however...as last year I executed multiple plans (two targets, two diff meridian flips..no problems).
I increased the flip exposure time to 10s...still no dice. Something clearly happened since I updated the ASIAIR software. I think I'm going to try and reset the Air and start from scratch as @Dan Kearl suggested.
Will keep everyone posted.
How does one use NINA again? mini PC? ugh... Just thinking about the switch away from the Air causes heartburn...
If you try and go the NINA-PC route you will be glad you did. As far as I know, the Asiair uses NINA
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Jon Bryan:
Select the "i" icon and make sure "New Plate Solve" is NOT checked. I started having plate solve issues the last week and finally discovered that it was checked last night.
I didn't do it.
Unchecked it and everything started working fine again. ZWO either needs to fix it or take it out. I tried that initially and couldn't even get like 10 stars...swtiched back. I should note I have no problems initially getting PA, slewing to (and solving) on a target initially...it all has to do with the damn meridian flip.
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Tony Gondola:
Chris:
Failure happened again last night. I set an alarm to wake up and catch it. This is frustrating however...as last year I executed multiple plans (two targets, two diff meridian flips..no problems).
I increased the flip exposure time to 10s...still no dice. Something clearly happened since I updated the ASIAIR software. I think I'm going to try and reset the Air and start from scratch as @Dan Kearl suggested.
Will keep everyone posted.
How does one use NINA again? mini PC? ugh... Just thinking about the switch away from the Air causes heartburn...
If you try and go the NINA-PC route you will be glad you did.
As far as I know, the Asiair uses NINA I don't believe so, the AIR is an Android application and is INDI based, more like an Astroberry.
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Tony Gondola:
Roy Hagen:
Tony Gondola:
Chris:
Failure happened again last night. I set an alarm to wake up and catch it. This is frustrating however...as last year I executed multiple plans (two targets, two diff meridian flips..no problems).
I increased the flip exposure time to 10s...still no dice. Something clearly happened since I updated the ASIAIR software. I think I'm going to try and reset the Air and start from scratch as @Dan Kearl suggested.
Will keep everyone posted.
How does one use NINA again? mini PC? ugh... Just thinking about the switch away from the Air causes heartburn...
If you try and go the NINA-PC route you will be glad you did.
As far as I know, the Asiair uses NINA
I don't believe so, the AIR is an Android application and is INDI based, more like an Astroberry. You may be right 😉
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I'm beginning to believe this is caused by belt slippage. I contacted ZWO and performed their recommended belt tightening procedure. I tested the Meridian flip indoors (obviously didn't plate solve) but it flipped multiple times…multiple different targets w/o issue or grinding.
I'm going to try it again on the next clear night and likely use heavy duty mode and possibly a small counterweight. While not required…my FRA 500 with associated AP gear isn't necessarily light (still under AM5 limits though)…and a little counterweight can't hurt (in my mind) in trying to relieve stress on the gears etc. Heck who knows…might improve guiding as well.
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New Plate Solve only was useful for narrowband, for me, when I would otherwise not be able to solve
and for broadband it should be unchecked (if I remember right)
I had this same problem before (but with an AVX mount); my scope ending up in that position in the morning; gave me a lot of anxiety, lol
increasing plate solve exposure time to a large amount, like 10s fixed it, along with the correct setting for New Plate Solve
also make sure your date and time are as accurate as possible
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So…after trying it last night in Heavy Duty mode and with a counterweight, I had zero errors, a perfect Meridian flip and immediate solve after (used Autorun mode).
I'm getting more convinced this was a belt slippage issue. I had very few subs lost throughout the whole night as well (usually lose a few to oblong stars etc).
Think the counterweight is key. I know its not needed etc…but it definitely helped in my situation.
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It's one of those, if it works, it works. Still doesn't really explain why it won't solve because it should do that even if it ends up far from the target after the flip.
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