1st Mono Imaging Session Help Please ZWO ASI2600MM Pro · Vinny Vent · ... · 8 · 259 · 3

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New to mono and hoping for some insight. Just got my 2600mm paired with Antlia 2.5nm filters. Weather here in NYC has not been agreeable but I was able to get about 4 hours of SII (300s) and 4 hours of Ha (300s). No OIII yet due to the moon and weather. 

I couldn’t help myself and wait so I decided to play with what I had in Pixinsight. After running DBE and BlurX I did an LRGB Combination and assigned SII to “R” and Ha to “B”. The resulting product is shown below. It’s essentially a green casted image. If I run SCNR it produces the image that is a reddish orange cast. 

If I use the Narrowband Normalization process and set it to HOO mode 1 it actually makes the much more appealing gold / blue image below. However I’m having a feeling I’m doing something wrong (aside from missing OIII). Should the resulting product of LRGB combination be that heavily green casted? Any advice would be great. Thanks!

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The third combination is actually rather beautiful. Welcome to the world of narrowband! I can't advise as I don't use PI but I do know, this was and still is a challenge for me. You might try balancing the RGB plates using pixel math as this will give you extremely precise control over color balance.
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The third combination is actually rather beautiful. Welcome to the world of narrowband! I can't advise as I don't use PI but I do know, this was and still is a challenge for me. You might try balancing the RGB plates using pixel math as this will give you extremely precise control over color balance.

Thank you very much. I appreciate the tip. I just wasn’t sure if the initial result of doing the LRGB combination process using SII as R and Ha as G should result in that overly green cast image as a default. Fun and exciting trying mono out and cameras great but I have a a lot to learn from the press it and forget it OSC camera experience.
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So a few things to remember with mono:

1. There's not really a 'wrong' way to do it. That's the fun of mono, you can experiment with different colour palettes and combinations to see what you like and what works with your data that you've captured.

2. Ha tends to be MUCH stronger than either Sii or Oiii. This is why you tend to end up with colour casts, it all depends on where you assign Ha. In a typical SHO colour palette, you'll end up with a VERY strong green cast because Ha is being assigned to the green channel. It's completely swamping everything else. But there are ways to adjust this.

a. Do a colour calibration AFTER combining which will help to neutralize the green and balance the colours

b. SCNR to completely wipe the green out (which will leave you with your typical gold/blue or

c. (my preference) create a green mask, then adjust the a channel in curves to bring the green balance towards red.

3. One last note - If you're combining your channels in a linear state, you should use Channel Combination. LRGB is a non-linear process, it should really only be used in non-linear (for example combining a luminance image with your RGB image).

Great start, good luck!
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Ryan Génier:
So a few things to remember with mono:

1. There's not really a 'wrong' way to do it. That's the fun of mono, you can experiment with different colour palettes and combinations to see what you like and what works with your data that you've captured.

2. Ha tends to be MUCH stronger than either Sii or Oiii. This is why you tend to end up with colour casts, it all depends on where you assign Ha. In a typical SHO colour palette, you'll end up with a VERY strong green cast because Ha is being assigned to the green channel. It's completely swamping everything else. But there are ways to adjust this.

a. Do a colour calibration AFTER combining which will help to neutralize the green and balance the colours

b. SCNR to completely wipe the green out (which will leave you with your typical gold/blue or

c. (my preference) create a green mask, then adjust the a channel in curves to bring the green balance towards red.

3. One last note - If you're combining your channels in a linear state, you should use Channel Combination. LRGB is a non-linear process, it should really only be used in non-linear (for example combining a luminance image with your RGB image).

Great start, good luck!

Thanks Ryan! I appreciate the detailed response. Super helpful. I’m pretty much of clear understanding on all your points with exception to bullet 2, sub bullet A. If you don’t mind can you explain that a bit more? Sorry if it’s a pain
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Vinny Vent:
Thanks Ryan! I appreciate the detailed response. Super helpful. I’m pretty much of clear understanding on all your points with exception to bullet 2, sub bullet A. If you don’t mind can you explain that a bit more? Sorry if it’s a pain


So when you combine your mono images into a colour image (using whatever palette you prefer), the balance between the channels may not be perfect (some channels may be brighter than others). 

For broadband (RGB) images, the typical advice w/ Pixinsight is to run SPCC to get the colours right. This adjusts the balance of each channel to ensure that the star colours match up w/ known spectra (this is also why you need to plate solve your image before you run SPCC).

But w/ mono, there's not really a 'correct' colour. So how do you balance the colour channels? Well there's a couple of different ways you can do it:

1. Do it all manually - you can use colour masks and luminance masks to adjust each part of the image how you like. This can be a bit tedious, but it works well.

2. If you run the colour calibration process on your combined image (I just use the default settings, but you can play around w/ the background detection and structure detection settings how you like), it will help to balance the colours. This usually results in the green being pulled back slightly (especially where it's overlapping the Oiii). You'll still need to manually adjust the green, but I find this helps automate the process a bit.
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Ryan Génier:
Vinny Vent:
Thanks Ryan! I appreciate the detailed response. Super helpful. I’m pretty much of clear understanding on all your points with exception to bullet 2, sub bullet A. If you don’t mind can you explain that a bit more? Sorry if it’s a pain


So when you combine your mono images into a colour image (using whatever palette you prefer), the balance between the channels may not be perfect (some channels may be brighter than others). 

For broadband (RGB) images, the typical advice w/ Pixinsight is to run SPCC to get the colours right. This adjusts the balance of each channel to ensure that the star colours match up w/ known spectra (this is also why you need to plate solve your image before you run SPCC).

But w/ mono, there's not really a 'correct' colour. So how do you balance the colour channels? Well there's a couple of different ways you can do it:

1. Do it all manually - you can use colour masks and luminance masks to adjust each part of the image how you like. This can be a bit tedious, but it works well.

2. If you run the colour calibration process on your combined image (I just use the default settings, but you can play around w/ the background detection and structure detection settings how you like), it will help to balance the colours. This usually results in the green being pulled back slightly (especially where it's overlapping the Oiii). You'll still need to manually adjust the green, but I find this helps automate the process a bit.

Awesome, thank you so much for the thorough explanation. Again, much appreciated!
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Hi, you can also try https://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-script-nbcolourmapper.21673/
There, you can asign any color to any channel and have nice preview of the final result. 
There is nice YT video by A. Block about the script and how to use it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XxB-sOFD0Q
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Stjepan Prugovečki:
Hi, you can also try https://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-script-nbcolourmapper.21673/
There, you can asign any color to any channel and have nice preview of the final result. 
There is nice YT video by A. Block about the script and how to use it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XxB-sOFD0Q

thanks you!
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