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For the past two nights I’ve had “successful “ runs with N.I.N.A. Except with the meridian flip. I checked the boxes in the Flip profile for plate solving etc. but the results are bad. Prior to the flip my subs are sharp and centered. After the flip the stars are dashed lines on a diagonal. My advanced sequencer set up is: Unpark/Find home/Cool Camera. Next: Meridian Flip/AF after filter change. Next: Loop until < 40 degrees Next: Slew & Center/Run AF/Start Guiding. Next: Smart Exposures. Next: Park Scope/warm Camera. ‘Do I also have to add centering and plate solving to the steps above even though I checked the boxes in the Meridian Flip profile? It’s an incredible program. To be able to sleep through the night and wake up in the morning and find the scope parked and the data waiting is amazing. It would be perfect if I could find out what I’m doing incorrectly. Hank |
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There are quite a few things that can cause issues with a meridian flip, but my experience the only times meridian flip has failed has been due to it exceeding my mount limits. When my EQ6 hits limits, it stops everything in it's tracks and you can kiss the rest of the night goodbye because it only responds to home command from NINA. I alleviated this by creating a custom limits profile with EQMOD, but every once in a blue moon, I still run into it. So firstly, I would check that. Second, could you maybe screenshot some of your settings and sequencer? I'm sort of confused with how you're describing it. Most of those actions you're talking about I drop in my 'triggers' field. The way you're describing your images as 'dashed lines on a diagonal' indicates to me your scope has stopped tracking. Again, this leads me to believe it may have hit mount limits. Also, have you verified you may not have snagged cables? It's best to just do a test sequence on a target that's at meridian while you're awake, see what happens. It will likely be obvious. |
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My experience is just like Brian's. I have a long refractor and no pier on my EQ6-R so I have to set mount limits to avoid my camera from hitting the tripod legs. Funnily enough, my limit allows the camera to pass the meridian, but when it preforms a flip the mount limits stop the slew for another 20 minutes or so. I've used the "DIY meridian flip" plug-in with NINA which can really help customise the meridian flip during an imaging sequence. You can set a time to stop your imaging pre flip, and a delay to restart your imaging after the flip. Before I set these up, the mount would flip but because it hit the mount limits it would stop tracking, hence diagonal stars which would never plate solve. Alternatively, your other option would be to image two targets through the night: when the first target approaches meridian, end that target sequence and slew to another target. |
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I agree with the mount limits for first check. One time I also had this when I had not calibrated PHD2 at a suitable sky location. Things were good until the flip. Check online for best way to calibrate. Is even more critical if using an OAG. An ipolar camera that is not center calibrated can also cause this, or poor polar alignment in general. |
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I never had issues with flips except initially some mount setting was not correct.
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I agree with Brian on that. This is why I take limits off. But that is a lazy way out. Are you commanding a Flip after a filter change? Like Brian said, the flip is a Trigger and should be in the trigger area. That may be causing some grief. Re-center and auto-focus after the flip, yes. But like you said, those should be checked in the Meridian Flip Settings and you won't need them in your instruction list as an "after flip follow-up". My flip used to stall out until I goofed with the "Minutes after Meridian" and "Max Minutes after Meridian" settings. I changed those to 3 min and 10 min, respectively and haven't had any issues. But there is always that time that I fall asleep and the flip does not happen and I have no idea why… Hope you can solve it! |
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What mount are you using? When I switched from an eq5 to a losmandsy g11 I was having a similar problem. The losmandsy can report which side of the pier the scope is on if you check the right box in the settings. I found until I checked that my guiding was not working after meridian flips.
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I have had this issue and it was connected to PhD2 not selecting a new guide star and just correcting to nowhere trying to get back to the old guide star which don't exist anymore.
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If you are using PHD2, dont forget to tick "Reverse DEC after meridian flip".
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Jean Yves THIRIET: Well, except when you shouldn't. It varies by mount. There is a wizard to ensure you have the right setting under Tools. |
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My concern has always been cable snags. We have reduced the cable snags with mounting a Pegasus unit; however, we still have a few cables that drag. In Stellarium I always select displaying the meridian, so you have an idea of where the flip will occur, and when it will occur.
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If using NINA it the telescope pane in imaging shows the time to meridian as well.
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Great topic. I need to check my limits. The meridian flip used to work flawless until recently.
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I didn't see it mentioned above but maybe worth considering. There are two quite different ways to do the meridian flip, depending on the setting of minutes-before in NINA. If set to zero, then the idea is that NINA expects the mount to finish the last exposure while tracking THROUGH the meridian into a counterweight up position, then flip. If you set the pause-before > 0 (I recommend at least 2) then NINA will actually stop imaging before meridian, and stop tracking before then. The mount never goes into a counterweight up position. NINA just sits there (the mount just sits there) while the target passes the meridian, then NINA issues a slew according to the "after" time, and the mount will flip because the target is now on the other side. The first of these is more efficient, no time waiting. The key difference though is that the first of these requires that the mount be able to gracefully track through meridian and then flip, without hitting any limits and stopping or taking any action on its own. Often the default mount settings are NOT to go counterweight up. That's why I typically suggest people set the pause-before to 2 minutes or so, and get that working properly first. Note that if set to 2, it will be 2 plus any partial exposure you do not have time for, plus the time after (let's say that is 2). So with 4 minute exposures you could wait between 2 + 0 + 2 and 2 + 4 + 2 minutes (4 to 8). That's why I say the other is more efficient. But this is easy. FWIW. |
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Thanks for all of your suggestions. I’m going to try doing flips during the daytime and sort through the various settings. That way I can watch what happens.
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Linwood Ferguson:Jean Yves THIRIET: Actually i think that it coould varies with driver. With EQMOD it sould be turned off with GServer turned on (but i could be wrong). I would also put the flip command in the global triggers area, and change the "Minutes After the Meridian" to a biger value, like 15 minutes. EQMOD don't alow to synk near meridian. My last advice ... change to GServer. Never had a issue. Works like a charm. |
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Linwood Ferguson:Jean Yves THIRIET: Fair point, I forget there are mounts with competing drivers out there. |
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Last night was a breakthrough night! After much experimentation, I think I’ve found the right combination in N.I.N.A. for my setup. Last night was a perfect run including a Meridian flip. I got up this morning to 116 subs (LRGB). Hank |