Hello fellow Astrophotographers,
I am beginning and have been taking astrophoto for just over 2 years now. My question may have been asked or answered in other forums but I am still hesitant and wonder the possibilities. I currently use a simple workflow- stack and process in siril + graxpert for background extraction and denoise.
I hear very good things about PixInsight and how its lightyears ahead of any of the free tools. For me comparing a same image process to the best in PixInsight vs Siril will seal the deal for learning and going ahead with PixInsight.
I can share my stacked image and am asking if anyone with PixInsight will help process the image for me to compre with my current workflow.
or if any such comparison already exists in youtube, please point it to me.
thanks in advance for offering any help.
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Hi Amit
Feel free to post the stack and I’ll have a go at it.
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Amit:
Hello fellow Astrophotographers,
I am beginning and have been taking astrophoto for just over 2 years now. My question may have been asked or answered in other forums but I am still hesitant and wonder the possibilities. I currently use a simple workflow- stack and process in siril + graxpert for background extraction and denoise.
I hear very good things about PixInsight and how its lightyears ahead of any of the free tools. For me comparing a same image process to the best in PixInsight vs Siril will seal the deal for learning and going ahead with PixInsight.
I can share my stacked image and am asking if anyone with PixInsight will help process the image for me to compre with my current workflow.
or if any such comparison already exists in youtube, please point it to me.
thanks in advance for offering any help. That’s not going to tell you much. Like any processing software, the result you get depends on the skill of the person doing the processing. A skilled Siri+graxpert might produce a better result than someone just starting in PI. You should just cave in and make thejump to PI. Yes, PI has a moderately steep learning curve but once you learn it, you’ll be hooked. And yes, you have to buy it but it’s one of the best deals in AP. It is a world class piece of code and you get a lifetime of updates for a single one-time purchase price—that is very reasonable. It’s also the gateway to a number of VERY powerful processing tools such as those offered by Russ Crowman. It also has a large and healthy ecosystem of training videos coupled with help from more experienced users. In my view, if you want to take your processing to the next level and you are serious about AP, PI is a must have. John
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I came from Siril, Graxpert and Affinity Photo and I can tell you that Pixinsight is so much more robust and capable it is worth every penny. Do not be intimidated by the learning curve, it is not at all difficult to get going and build skills and processes as you need them. YouTube is your friend. When you take the leap you will find that you go back a re-process all of your old data.
One last thought, there are still occasions, although becoming rarer, when I still use Siril and Affinity Photo for specific tasks. I am glad I grew from there. If you have specific questions have at it.
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Thank you @John Hayes@GiffS for you feedback. I will surely make use of the free trials to learn and see for myself. @Ryan Génier - thank you for offering to process my stack. please use this link to download the stack - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kBtAPlXuIO5T0IWp68slijM9sGOOMKJP/view?usp=drive_link |
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Also keep in mind you can get a 45 day trial license with Pixinsight, so you'll have plenty of time to give it a go and follow some tutorials etc with no risk.
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Happy to take a look at the data for you as well! As the above poster stated it all depends on the skill of the person processing the data, but it'll give you an idea.
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Thank you @AstroSidivis . Yes, that is what i am looking for just a visual check to see the difference. For my eye and style if it is significant then definitely i would want to invest my time in learning. The link to the stacked file is above.
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Could you grant access or alter the perms to make it public?
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I come from a DSS+Siril+GraXpert+Starnet background, learned my basic skills with those great free tools. Then, I decided to give PixInsight a try and got the trial license, alongside trial licenses for Russell Croman's amazing plugins BX, NX and SX. There was no coming back.
If you check my gallery, you'll see that most of my images were initially processed with Siril and then reprocessed with PixInsight. Not only the quality jump was amazing but also the ease of use and capabilities of the PI workspace. It's so much more streamlined, it makes the whole process A LOT easier.
I highly recommend you to get the trial licenses and follow Peter Zelinka's "PixInsight for Dummies" series in YouTube, it got me started right away. For additional online resources, go check "Cuiv, The Lazy Geek" and Lukomatico, they have great videos with raw stacks to process alongside with them.
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Thanks @Franco Grimoldi for the recommendations. I follow their work regularly so will definitely start with their tutorials . I have seen some YouTube videos where the difference between siril + Affinity Photo vs PixInsight were outrageous. Thus wanted to ask around here before getting started. the link should be open to public now. sorry I didn't check the permission earlier.
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Could you grant access or alter the perms to make it public? It should be public and accessible now. Thank you
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Do not judge Pixinsight just by this picture. I'm not the best at processing for starters. I mainly used used RC Astros paid tools, and Seti Astro's free tools to process this image. Then I used generalized hyperbolic stretch to stretch the image. I skipped any kind of color correction. I spent less than 10 minutes on it, looking at the date modified timestamp, I downloaded your master at 17:29, and saved this image at 17:36. Obviously if someone spends more time on the image, it would look better. I just wanted to show you what an extremely quick process in Pixinsight can look like. Image03.png |
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One advantage of Pixinsight is that you have significantly more control over the subframe selection process (viewing the stats via subframe selector) and control over the stacking process via WBPP or FBPP. Can you post your raw data? Just comparing what Pixinsight can do with the final stacked file isn't really a fair review of what Pixinsight can do.
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80% PIXINSIGHT- Image Solver, SPCC, Bxt,Nxt, Star Removal, Pixel Math 20% PHOTOSHOP- Crop, Color, Luminosity, https://www.astrobin.com/r4677b/Cheer's scott
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@Amit A bit of a quick and dirty process, and its a little over stretched, but hopefully this gives you an idea!
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Oh my!!!! @AstroSidivis @wsg @Quinn Groessl - thank you all for processing my image. I can now with confidence say there is day and night difference. I tried my best but was unable to bring out the hydrogen alpha cross in the center that I posted earlier today. I am 100% hooked. Will totally take the time to learn this tool. thank you everyone 🙏🏻🙏🏻
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Amit:
Oh my!!!!
@AstroSidivis @wsg @Quinn Groessl - thank you all for processing my image. I can now with confidence say there is day and night difference. I tried my best but was unable to bring out the hydrogen alpha cross in the center that I posted earlier today. I am 100% hooked. Will totally take the time to learn this tool.
thank you everyone 🙏🏻🙏🏻 It's not only about the results, the whole process is SO MUCH better. For instance, getting to save a "project" with all the files and each file's history is incredibly useful. Getting to have multiple images open at the same time also makes a world of difference. You won't get great (or even better) results right away. As with any tool, it takes a lot of practice, learning and trial-n-error. A good approach would be to get the trial licenses after you've watched at least the "for dummies" series and being sure that you have enough raw data to make the trial period worth.
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Hey Amit, I'm about 2 years into doing astrophotography as well. I was using DSS, Siril and Affinity Photo until I decided to go for Pixinsight earlier this year. I was a little nervous dropping hundreds on the software but I can say without a doubt I'm so damn happy I did it.
My images were immediately sooo much better. I know some people don't do all the processing with PI but I personally love using just one piece of software (I'm sure it's not the absolute best method for perfection). I never liked having to deal with saving different file types and whatnot just to bring stuff into another program.
As Franco said above - the whole process is so much better.
That's my two cents - I don't think you'd regret taking the leap.
Cheers
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Cody Bennett:
Hey Amit, I'm about the 2 years into doing astrophotography as well. I was using DSS, Siril and Affinity Photo until I decided to go for Pixinsight earlier this year. I was a little nervous dropping hundreds on the software but I can say without a doubt I'm so damn happy I did it.
My images were immediately sooo much better. I know some people don't do all the processing with PI but I personally love using just one piece of software (I'm sure it's not the absolute best method for perfection). I never liked having to deal with saving different file types and whatnot just to bring stuff into another program.
As Franco said above - the whole process is so much better.
That's my two cents - I don't think you'd regret taking the leap.
Cheers Thanks @Cody Bennett. I can already start to see with the few picture already processed by few members. the difference between mine and from PixInsight is astounding. Will definitely spend the next few weeks watching some tutorials and getting started with it.
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Hello Amit, I also highly recommend purchasing the software. Yes, first I was also very conflicted whether to buy it or not but in the end I got it and it's just fantastic. It was the most money I've ever spend on software but it's really worth it (when sticking to the hobby). Especially since you get a lifetime license. There are plenty of very good tutorials (I also did some beginner videos: https://www.youtube.com/@tullyfisher 😉) and you will learn so much about how can you'll get the most out of you data. Previously I used Siril then DSS and Gimp and it's so amazing what you can get from your data when working with pixisnight. You' ll be also surprised when doing re-processing later using PI when you'll have better skills for PI. It's not just great for actual processing but I also got much better results by stacking same data in PI vs. DSS. Wish you all the best & clear skies.
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Dear Amit,
in my experience I found (and I'm still finding) PixInsight really interesting, but also very powerful in the post-processing phase.
I also re-processed old data being so temptated in looking at how the same image could have improved from the learning of its modules. And especially if you like math it gives you lot of opportunities with PixelMath.
Your deep dive journey in learning a software, whatever it is, can bring the step by step improvement and then you will understand from this day-by-day learning if you can be satisfied by what the software is giving to you.
In PixInsight I also found really robust the pre-processing phase with the WBPP (the weighted batch pre-processing) for the initial phase of the stacking all calibrated frames.
Also what I really like in PixInsight is the scientific approach you can maintain during all the path.
As other astrophotographers said, do not worry about the "learning curve", as more you practice and read (from the guide, from the official forum where you can register, from tutorials, from the sharing with other astrophotographers) the more you feel confident.
So what else, a part all the above, you have to be then happy from the potential you experiment from your gear, from your ensemble of software, from your results.
Best and CS,
Davide Mascoli.
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Hello Amit, by no means am I an experienced PI user. Just started last year using PI again a little bit more serious, and did some tutorials (mainly NarrowBand by @Adam Block who's got some great tutorials). So I used your image for my own training and, besides all the other images you get to see, you see an image processed by an inexperienced user. I can tell you that I also avoided PI because of the steep learning curve, and sometimes confusing interface, but now I'm getting more comfortable and it gets to be more fun to process images (and old data) Hope it helps on your descision making. CS  |
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Hi, I started astrophoto 2 years ago with PI after reviewing all the feedbacks and user comments on the web. Yes, as a real beginner I had to invest some time to start to use it properly but there is a lot of ressources on the web. I would recommend especially all the free videos from PI itself and those from Adam Block there are a lot of others too but Adam Block explains what he is doing and why it produces the result you get. I am sure that switching from another set of tools will ease the learning for you. The supporting community is very reactive and helpful too. And you can try it for free (if it works as I never succeeded to get one for me). Frédéric
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