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Recently I had to format my computer and re-install APP. Unfortunately, I have deleted the email where I received my License Code. I have sent couple of emails/ forum posts requesting them to send it but I have not received any reply/ acknowledgment of the emails/posts. Going through other forum posts it seems no one is receiving any reply from the APP Team for any issue. People are posting concerns regarding future of APP? Is there any update on that front? Is APP going to end future development? I hope not.
Clear Skies!
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Dont know why they are not active in their own forums, but i will say that i find it difficult to recommend purchasing APP so they could well be in some trouble if many others share this opinion.
Siril is like 5 times faster at stacking than APP and doesnt complain about anything. APP will sometimes just not use the calibration frames i supplied because it thinks they dont match, and there was no warning or prompt to use them anyway (this could be user error, but still Siril is better). PixInsight has better mosaicing tools, so another loss for APP. PixInsight is needed for the RC-astro tools which at this point are almost mandatory if one wants to extract every bit of detail in processing.
So whats left then if PI is necessary anyway and Siril is better at stacking and is free? I dont see a use for APP at this point for myself and wont be renewing my renter license that ran out a while ago.
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Reading posts on the APP forum it would seem Vincent is undergoing treatment for an illness - Mabula is trying to cope on his own.
Understand your situation is frustrating but with luck your patience will be rewarded - soon hopefully.
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Dont know why they are not active in their own forums, but i will say that i find it difficult to recommend purchasing APP so they could well be in some trouble if many others share this opinion.
Siril is like 5 times faster at stacking than APP and doesnt complain about anything. APP will sometimes just not use the calibration frames i supplied because it thinks they dont match, and there was no warning or prompt to use them anyway (this could be user error, but still Siril is better). PixInsight has better mosaicing tools, so another loss for APP. PixInsight is needed for the RC-astro tools which at this point are almost mandatory if one wants to extract every bit of detail in processing.
So whats left then if PI is necessary anyway and Siril is better at stacking and is free? I dont see a use for APP at this point for myself and wont be renewing my renter license that ran out a while ago. I have been a user of both SIRIL and APP. More often than not, I got better results from APP when it comes to calibration and stacking. Except for the Light Pollution Removal tool, I was never a fan of any other tool provided by APP. And after Graxpert, I stopped using the LP removal tool in APP. What I am going to miss in APP: 1. Specific algorithms for debayering dual narrowband data (I think they are very good). 2. CFA Drizzle option on APP. 3. Ease of loading multiple sessions at once and letting the software do its job, albeit very slowly (I know there are solutions to solve that issue too, but so far I was avoiding that route). Sooner or later, everyone will (should) end up in the church of Pixinsight. Before that, I need to change my whole system and bring it up to speed to support PI in a meaningful way. I run an old 8GB Mac OS from 2017 which is showing signs of age now. Till then, SIRIL will be my weapon of choice. Not the best but nearly there. Rather than waiting for APP to respond, maybe it's time to update my computer.  |
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Reading posts on the APP forum it would seem Vincent is undergoing treatment for an illness - Mabula is trying to cope on his own.
Understand your situation is frustrating but with luck your patience will be rewarded - soon hopefully. Oh I didn't know that. Yes, of course. APP license can wait. Thanks for updating that. I will not harass them with my emails and post.
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They are useless and totally unhelpful at APP, all they care about is money, once you have bought the software they have no interest at all in helping, I asked for a full printed manual 3 years ago and was promised that it was coming and would be done within 3 months, I bought the software on this promise my Mabula himself, and the was a liar, AFAIK it’s still not been completed, so he promised me he would help online himself personally with any issue, and he never once after that replied to my emails, I wasted the money on buying the license, I could used it for basic stacking, but that was it. The two guys that run the forum were not much better either, taking days to answer any queries, if they bothered to answer at all, in the end I got a bit annoyed with them and they told me to ask for help then would not answer me, so they just blocked me from the forum….thats how they deal with issues….was totally disgusted with them and I will shout it from the highest building, STAY AWAY FROM APP, UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW TO USE THE SOFTWARE 100%, THEY ARE NO HELP AT ALL AFTER YOU PURCHASE.
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Reading posts on the APP forum it would seem Vincent is undergoing treatment for an illness - Mabula is trying to cope on his own.
Understand your situation is frustrating but with luck your patience will be rewarded - soon hopefully.
Oh I didn't know that. Yes, of course. APP license can wait. Thanks for updating that. I will not harass them with my emails and post. Illness, This was the excuse 3 years ago too, 🤔🤔
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Not sure why anyone would justify the cost over Pixinsight to be honest. I tried the APP 30 day trial and left unimpressed.
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Not sure why anyone would justify the cost over Pixinsight to be honest. I tried the 30 day trial and left unimpressed. Well I took the plunge on PI in the end, and wish I had done it years ago, it was not as daunting as I thought it would be..👍🏻
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They are useless and totally unhelpful at APP, all they care about is money, once you have bought the software they have no interest at all in helping, I asked for a full printed manual 3 years ago and was promised that it was coming and would be done within 3 months, I bought the software on this promise my Mabula himself, and the was a liar, AFAIK it’s still not been completed, so he promised me he would help online himself personally with any issue, and he never once after that replied to my emails, I wasted the money on buying the license, I could used it for basic stacking, but that was it. The two guys that run the forum were not much better either, taking days to answer any queries, if they bothered to answer at all, in the end I got a bit annoyed with them and they told me to ask for help then would not answer me, so they just blocked me from the forum….thats how they deal with issues….was totally disgusted with them and I will shout it from the highest building, STAY AWAY FROM APP, UNLESS YOU KNOW HOW TO USE THE SOFTWARE 100%, THEY ARE NO HELP AT ALL AFTER YOU PURCHASE. Oh sorry to hear about your bad experience. Actually I never had any occassion to write to them for any other issue. For troubleshooting I would just look around YT or forum posts and found a solution. This is the first time in three years I actually wrote to the developers and sought help. Let's see what happens now.
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Not sure why anyone would justify the cost over Pixinsight to be honest. I tried the 30 day trial and left unimpressed.
Well I took the plunge on PI in the end, and wish I had done it years ago, it was not as daunting as I thought it would be..👍🏻 APP is 3 times as fast as Pixinsight for stacking and I know because I have both. It also allows you to stack nightly sessions and then stack the sessions together in minutes. If you dont care about stacking time I suppose PI is fine but it is no improvement and seems to reject a lot of decent frames.
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Stacking stacks is the least effective way of handling data in my opinion because you dont get as good a result as when stacking all the subs into one image. Its just a math thing, averaging 4 averages is not the same as averaging all the subs once (latter is better, significantly).
I see the session thing as a weakness in the software. Really calibration and stacking are two different things done at different times. Calibration happens after the imaging night and then those subs get stored for later use. Stacking happens after any number of nights, which could be months after calibration. The "black box" design of APP discourages the user to take this approach IMO.
Sub rejection rates also have nothing to do with the stacking software used. You select the method and limits of rejection and stack the frames you want - at least thats what is supposed to happen.
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Stacking stacks is the least effective way of handling data in my opinion because you dont get as good a result as when stacking all the subs into one image. Its just a math thing, averaging 4 averages is not the same as averaging all the subs once (latter is better, significantly). I will stack nightly sessions on a target each day just to see where I am at and when I have finished the target I stack them all again. At 400% pixel peep I cannot tell the difference. It is a very nice feature to use IMO, lets you evaluate quickly what kind of progress you are making and when it's time to quit.
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They are useless and totally unhelpful at APP, all they care about is money,[...] Honestly, APP is so simple to use that I have no idea what you are writing about. There are popup hints everywhere explaining most if not all options... I remember one guy (meadeuser) on the APP forum complaining about the lack of manual all the time like it was the holy grail of astrophotography. PI manual is also lacking, so I could not understand why it was so important, especially when in AP image processing experiments with sliders are so important.
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I’m sorry to hear this about APP. I’m for 1 a big user of it for processing my images. I’ve had better luck with it than WBPP though at times I do use WBPP.
I’ve always had good luck on the forums too. The one thing I like best about it is the algorithms for extracting HA and OIII. It allows me to do many things I couldn’t do with PI.
I did read however there is a new script that is being “tested???” To do the same thing but I have not used it yet.
I hope that APP is able to continue as I think its a great software to have personally.
I’m wondering what version are you using? Maybe try a different version or updated version???
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APP is my fall back when PI just won't. I like that APP will give me one file when using different Optolong multi NBs, i.e.: eXtreme and UVIR Cut for instance (two sessions). I try to keep everything under one hood and prefer PI, but APP has it's purpose in my toolbox.
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I’m sorry to hear this about APP. I’m for 1 a big user of it for processing my images. I’ve had better luck with it than WBPP though at times I do use WBPP.
I’ve always had good luck on the forums too. The one thing I like best about it is the algorithms for extracting HA and OIII. It allows me to do many things I couldn’t do with PI.
I did read however there is a new script that is being “tested???” To do the same thing but I have not used it yet.
I hope that APP is able to continue as I think its a great software to have personally.
I’m wondering what version are you using? Maybe try a different version or updated version??? Even I like APP a lot. I hope they stick around and continue to support/update APP. For me it is also muscle memory of using a software for last three years. I find it quite easy. I have one month trial version experience of PI from few years back. Even then I used APP for stacking. However, WBPP script has undergone a lot of change since then (or thats my understanding). So cannot really compare. I have downloaded the latest version. Actually, the software does a license code check at the start. If it doesnt find the key the software will not proceed. At this point I can only wait  |
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I’m sorry to hear this about APP. I’m for 1 a big user of it for processing my images. I’ve had better luck with it than WBPP though at times I do use WBPP.
I’ve always had good luck on the forums too. The one thing I like best about it is the algorithms for extracting HA and OIII. It allows me to do many things I couldn’t do with PI.
I did read however there is a new script that is being “tested???” To do the same thing but I have not used it yet.
I hope that APP is able to continue as I think its a great software to have personally.
I’m wondering what version are you using? Maybe try a different version or updated version???
Even I like APP a lot. I hope they stick around and continue to support/update APP. For me it is also muscle memory of using a software for last three years. I find it quite easy. I have one month trial version experience of PI from few years back. Even then I used APP for stacking. However, WBPP script has undergone a lot of change since then (or thats my understanding). So cannot really compare.
I have downloaded the latest version. Actually, the software does a license code check at the start. If it doesnt find the key the software will not proceed. At this point I can only wait The major problem I have with WBPP is multi-nights. There is entirely too much file management with it and for someone in their 70s who sometimes can't remember why I walked into a room, moving files around and keeping it all straight in my head is a PITA. APP's multisession approach is much more desirable.
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I moved from APP to Pixinsight after using it for a few months; no problems with APP or its support, but I felt that PI was the next obvious step in my astrophotography journey. However, I find combining multiple panels into a mosaic is so much easier in APP than PI; trying different options to get the best, most seamless blend of panels is quick and easy.
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I've never used APP for any other features than mosaic stitching. For that one feature I bought a license. It is hands down the best mosaic stitcher out there. I was using tak epsilon so far more geometric distortan than most scopes, and every method and software I tried just did a poor job. APP crushes mosaics with ease. I use PI for the other 99.999% of things i do. After you use it a bit the biggest question you will have is "why didn't ido this sooner?" But keep your APP licence if you get into mosaics.  |
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Rajat Kumar:
Dale Penkala:
I’m sorry to hear this about APP. I’m for 1 a big user of it for processing my images. I’ve had better luck with it than WBPP though at times I do use WBPP.
I’ve always had good luck on the forums too. The one thing I like best about it is the algorithms for extracting HA and OIII. It allows me to do many things I couldn’t do with PI.
I did read however there is a new script that is being “tested???” To do the same thing but I have not used it yet.
I hope that APP is able to continue as I think its a great software to have personally.
I’m wondering what version are you using? Maybe try a different version or updated version???
Even I like APP a lot. I hope they stick around and continue to support/update APP. For me it is also muscle memory of using a software for last three years. I find it quite easy. I have one month trial version experience of PI from few years back. Even then I used APP for stacking. However, WBPP script has undergone a lot of change since then (or thats my understanding). So cannot really compare.
I have downloaded the latest version. Actually, the software does a license code check at the start. If it doesnt find the key the software will not proceed. At this point I can only wait Disconnect your computer from the internet, run APP, and it will bypass the license check. Once it’s up and running, you can reconnect to the internet. I only know this because I’ve used APP in some extremely remote locations where there is no internet.
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Incidentally, I’ve tried PI extensively for stacking. I get better results with APP. I just do. PI has serious advantages over APP—especially regarding the UI. But it’s the end result that matters.
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Stacking stacks is the least effective way of handling data in my opinion because you dont get as good a result as when stacking all the subs into one image. Its just a math thing, averaging 4 averages is not the same as averaging all the subs once (latter is better, significantly).
I see the session thing as a weakness in the software. Really calibration and stacking are two different things done at different times. Calibration happens after the imaging night and then those subs get stored for later use. Stacking happens after any number of nights, which could be months after calibration. The "black box" design of APP discourages the user to take this approach IMO.
Sub rejection rates also have nothing to do with the stacking software used. You select the method and limits of rejection and stack the frames you want - at least thats what is supposed to happen. You can very easily save calibrated frames in APP. There’s a button in the Calibration tab to do that. Then you can stack them later with frames calibrated in prior sessions. There’s no question PI has the better UI. If only its results were better, I’d use it.
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Ashraf AbuSara:
Not sure why anyone would justify the cost over Pixinsight to be honest. I tried the 30 day trial and left unimpressed.
Well I took the plunge on PI in the end, and wish I had done it years ago, it was not as daunting as I thought it would be..👍🏻
APP is 3 times as fast as Pixinsight for stacking and I know because I have both.
It also allows you to stack nightly sessions and then stack the sessions together in minutes.
If you dont care about stacking time I suppose PI is fine but it is no improvement and seems to reject a lot of decent frames. PixInsight has fast integration now too if that’s your thing and frame rejection can be optimized. I’d blink the rejected frames and visually inspect to confirm rejection and most of the time it’s spot on.
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Rajat Kumar:
Dale Penkala:
I’m sorry to hear this about APP. I’m for 1 a big user of it for processing my images. I’ve had better luck with it than WBPP though at times I do use WBPP.
I’ve always had good luck on the forums too. The one thing I like best about it is the algorithms for extracting HA and OIII. It allows me to do many things I couldn’t do with PI.
I did read however there is a new script that is being “tested???” To do the same thing but I have not used it yet.
I hope that APP is able to continue as I think its a great software to have personally.
I’m wondering what version are you using? Maybe try a different version or updated version???
Even I like APP a lot. I hope they stick around and continue to support/update APP. For me it is also muscle memory of using a software for last three years. I find it quite easy. I have one month trial version experience of PI from few years back. Even then I used APP for stacking. However, WBPP script has undergone a lot of change since then (or thats my understanding). So cannot really compare.
I have downloaded the latest version. Actually, the software does a license code check at the start. If it doesnt find the key the software will not proceed. At this point I can only wait
Disconnect your computer from the internet, run APP, and it will bypass the license check. Once it’s up and running, you can reconnect to the internet.
I only know this because I’ve used APP in some extremely remote locations where there is no internet. Ah! it didnt work. You need to put the code once and then it may be checking with some encrypted value stored offline everytime you start the program. Thanks!
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