A good friend of mine set this problem to me and I figured the more folks working on it, the better. The popular song by the Byrds, titled 'Eight Miles High' is the focus of our question, and this video that was made - featuring background images of many popular deep sky objects. The video - over on 'Youtube' can be accessed here; https://youtu.be/y-gu9BgMTyQMy friend could I.D. most of them (as we all likely could, here at Astrobin), but was stumped by this one apparent PN image that shows up for a few moments around the 1' 40" mark or so. I'll try to attach the several different screen capture shots to this post to make it easier for everyone. Thanks for any answers. We can solve it! Dana Patchick    |
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I vote for the Little Ghost Nebula, NGC 6369.
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I posted a search like this once and the person who figured it out put a clean version into Google Lens.... https://www.astrobin.com/fbo91z/?nc=&nce= |
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Hi Arnie, My thanks for your suggestion that it might be NGC 6369. That beautiful PN is a complete ring, however, and doesn't show the 'breaks' like our mystery nebula shows off. I've not seen any versions of NGC 6369 that might suggest such an outlook, either. Check out Reuben Barbosa's nice shot of 6369, that is right here on 'Astrobin'. https://www.astrobin.com/375188/?nc=allI think we need to continue the hunt. All best! -Dana |
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I tried and B&W rendition.... could be edited better....  |
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Hi Jerry -
Your earlier post of the unknown nebula was nicely solved by Konstantin Firsov.
Now, I see you've got an edited version of our mystery PN. Has the 'Google Lens' let us down?
Great effort, though!
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Looking up to present day pics isn't going to cut it. That image was taken with photographic plates and possibly not even hypered.
This said I'd put my money on NGC40 being a reasonable candidate.
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Hello Andrea,
Very much agree that this is a older, likely non-hypered plate from the 1960's, or older. After all - the video itself was produced in 1966, which
makes it clear they used astronomical pictures taken 56 or more years ago. Probably from Mount Wilson or Palomar.
NGC 40 is a good guess, but careful checking of the field stars tell us this isn't the one we're looking for. Something morphologically similar, though.
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Hello Andrea,
Very much agree that this is a older, likely non-hypered plate from the 1960's, or older. After all - the video itself was produced in 1966, which
makes it clear they used astronomical pictures taken 56 or more years ago. Probably from Mount Wilson or Palomar.
NGC 40 is a good guess, but careful checking of the field stars tell us this isn't the one we're looking for. Something morphologically similar, though.
-Dana Hello, I see. Then isn't likely to be one in the Northern Hemisphere (I've imaged all those in the NGC/IC catalogues and I can't find anything that fits in terms of pattern).
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Could it show the brighter parts of M 57? It seems that some stars are fitting if you compare the one at 1:39 with this one (after turning): https://www.astronomycameras.com/blog/archive/20080807/m57-from-deutschland/Harald
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If you turn the image I linked at 90 degrees anticlockwise there are some stars matching I think.
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Hi Harald,
Tough to make that case. The central star is quite bright in our mystery nebula as compared to what we see in M57.
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If you turn the image I linked at 90 degrees anticlockwise there are some stars matching I think. Yeah, my vote is M57. l went searching planetary nebula, didn’t realise there was so many 😮 given that most in video is messier or familiar DSO’s and the stars do seem to line up. Coooool video though
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Think the image in the video is a poor example of M 57, perhaps very old. I only compared the positions of the stars.
In the image of 1:39 you see 3 stars in a vertical line going through the center of the nebula, then there is a star within the nebula at 4 o´clock.
Left from the lower star of the three in line are two stars, one brighter, from there going up it looks like there are the two stars close to each other right under the head stock of Chris Hillmans bass guitar and above the head stock in a distance another star. I think all these stars are also in the image I linked.
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Interesting question. I'm fairly confident it is the Helix nebula - showing only the brighter parts. Here is a somewhat similar image: https://skyandtelescope.org/online-gallery/helix-planetary-nebula-in-aquarius/For it to be imaged in the 60's it probably wasn't very obscure and was fairly bright. I think there is a match to the stars and to the structure that curls in on one side. The problem is that images on the web have been stretched so that the overall scene is uniform - but the image in question only shows the brighter parts. It was probably taken with a red filter. The main thing is that I see a match in the way structures curl in. And I expect it to be a fairly prominent object. Frank Here's another - from 1966: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Helix_Nebula_(1966).jpg |
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Not sure if there is still interest in this topic - but I wanted to see if I could recreate it from my own data. I had about 2 hours on Helix with 3nm Ha and I matched it to the rough orientation and stretched it somewhat normally first, then with high contrast to mimic the image in question. Only global stretches were applied and no masking. So the split aspect of the Helix does show up strongly - and you wouldn't guess it from a normal view of it. The overall structure doesn't match perfectly but I think it's because the 3nm blocks out the Nii emission, which is fairly strong here and would have shown well in a red filtered image. The star brightnesses will be very different also due to the Ha filter - but there are stars in about the right locations to match the main ones. Judge for yourself:   Frank
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I just looked at Stellarium and I have to say it is close to M 57 according to the star pattern.
Negative the Ring Nebula is shown at time 2:50.
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