[TUTORIAL] How to build a budget Todmorden Pier for your Telescope Generic equipment discussions · Kieran Gunessee · ... · 11 · 1560 · 13

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Hey everyone,

I’ve recently built a Todmorden pier in my back garden and thought I’d share the process with anybody looking to do the same. Keep in mind that there are multiple approaches to building a pier, so feel free to modify any aspects to suit your needs.

This pier is very sturdy and easily holds my HEQ5 Pro & SW 130PDS with no issues, and it could hold much more, such as an EQ6-R Pro or equivalent.

I have to give some credit to @AstroStace  for advice on the concrete blocks as I didn’t know what I needed initially. This pier is based on her build and this forum post was a big help in getting everything put together.



Equipment List

Here is a list of the equipment I purchased for the pier. This doesn’t include things like power tools as I’m assuming you’ll already have these. Please note the prices below are reflective of the time of writing and may change.


- 2 x 215mm Concrete Block - £5.09 each
[url]https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/215mm-blocks/hollow-dense-concrete-block-7-3n-21 5mm/p/988088[/url]

- 3 x 20kg Bags Postcrete (ready-mixed concrete) - £6.09 per bag
https://www.wickes.co.uk/Blue-Circle-Ready-To-Use-Postcrete---20kg/p/221100

- 1m Threaded M10 Rod - £3.12
https://www.toolstation.com/threaded-bar/p86206

- 4 x M8 Socketed Concrete Anchor Bolts - £0.60 each with £12 shipping
https://www.orbitalfasteners.co.uk/products/m6-concrete-anchor-ankerbolt-socket-bolt-m8-thread

- M10 Washers - £4.50
https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Flat-Square-Washers-M10-Pack-Of-10/p/230970

- M8 Washers - £3.99
https://www.toolstation.com/stainless-steel-washer/p30258

- M10 Nuts - £3.09
https://www.toolstation.com/hexagon-steel-nut/p94238

- Evo-Stik Ultimate Adhesive - £16.50
https://shorturl.at/awAD1 (Amazon)

- Pier Adapter - £87.15 inc. Shipping
https://www.altairastro.com/skywatcher-celestron--ioptron-pier-adapter-442-p.asp

- 4 x M8 Socket Cap Screws (included with pier adapter) - £9.00
https://shorturl.at/dmCKM (Amazon)

- 40mm M10 Threaded Rod - £7.69
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09L6912QD?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

- Telegizmos T309 8 - 9" Fork Mounted SCT Cover - £76.95 inc. Shipping
https://www.rothervalleyoptics.co.uk/telegizmos-365-series-telescope-covers.html


Price

The pier materials cost around £82.00 in total inc. VAT.

Including the pier adapter and cover, the total cost was around £250.00 (including the various shipping costs to myself in the UK). 

These two components are the most expensive parts of the whole build and can be substituted for cheaper alternatives, such as a DIY adapter if you have the means to make one. In my case, I found it easier to simply purchase the adapter with the holes pre-drilled.



The Build Process


Step 1. Dig a hole

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I have a slabbed section of my garden where I usually sit my telescope. I removed a slab where it usually sits to place the pier and dug about 400mm deep. I would have dug a bit deeper but I hit some solid clay. Even at this depth, the pier isn’t going anywhere.

Step 2. Insert foundation block anchor rods
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I drilled a hole horizontally through the foundation block to route some M8 1m threaded rods through. This would act as extra support in the concrete.


Step 3. Place the foundation block and concrete

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Step 4. Drill connecting holes in the blocks.

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Please ensure you mirror the holes when drilling into the blocks as once they are stacked, they won’t line up if you simply copy the placement like for like.

I measured the distance of the holes as accurately as I could but there was some slippage when drilling which led to one of the holes being slightly out. To ensure the second block lined up, I laid a piece of paper on the foundation block, poked through where the holes were and stuck this to the second block, ensuring the paper was flipped to the other side, and used it as a template.


Step 5. Drilling the holes for the pier adapter

For the anchor bolts, I found a 6mm Masonry screw offered the best fit. 


Step 6. Cutting the threaded rod to size

I purchased a 1m length of M10 threaded rod as it was cheaper than buying pre-cut rod. I cut this into 5 x 200mm lengths. This was to be used to connect the two blocks together, and to fix the mount head in place. The HEQ5 uses M10 thread, but check your mount as this could differ.


Step 7. Connecting the concrete blocks

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In addition to clamping the blocks with the rod & nuts, I applied a generous amount of the Evo-Stik glue for some extra bonding. This glue is incredibly strong once set and is weatherproof.


Step 8. Attaching the pier adapter

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Before screwing in the anchor bolts I added a bit of Evo-Stik to ensure they will stay in place and to fill in any small cracks.

Unfortunately, the holes in the block were slightly out of alignment so I had to mill the holes in the adapter in order to give it some more wiggle room. This meant the socket screws no longer fit snug in the adapter, but with some m8 washers they could still be used with the socket head exposed. If you do a better job of aligning everything you won’t have to do this!

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Step 9. Attach the mount


With all the above complete it’s time to attach the mount. I used a 40mm piece of M10 rod to screw into the top of the adapter for the AZ adjustment, and the remaining piece of 200mm M10 rod to screw into the bottom of the mount, held in place with a large washer & nut.

Pier complete!

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You can paint the pier too like I did to add some additional weatherproofing.

This took me about a week to complete in-between work and the rainy English weather but it can be easily completed in a single weekend. 

I hope this helps if you’re looking to build an affordable pier. If you have any questions please just give me a shout.

Thanks,

Kieran
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andre.couto 0.00
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I'm looking for ideas to do something similar. Thanks for sharing.
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RobokopLive 0.00
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That's brilliant, Kieran. Thanks for this.
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ghatfield 1.51
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I'm thinking of something similar.  Here is a good video on this topic:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhLJ-i1rdB4&t=547s

George
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cosmic_time_traveller 0.00
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Hi Kieran  - excellent post - I am thinking about building a similar pier.  Just one question - do you have any clash with your scope with the top corner of the blocks when positioned at / near the zenith. I am just wondering whether I may need a pier extension? 
How is it all working longer term?
Thanks
Peter
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Kieran_Gunessee 5.72
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Hi Peter,

There is no clash with the top of the pier under normal use. Using my scope it does eventually hit the top block but only after it passes the zenith which it won't slew to under normal use anyway.

It's still holding up really well and is as sturdy as the day it was built, even through the seasons and temperature changes. Considering how relatively affordable it was to build I'd say it's well worth it if you're thinking of going down the pier route!

Cheers,
Kieran
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cosmic_time_traveller 0.00
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Thanks Kieran - great feedback ! Blocks are here and now doing the base!
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dmsummers 6.80
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There are lots of variants on theme for Todmorden piers.   Just google to see how many!    I built a Todmorden variant out of 8" cement blocks (don't use cinder block) that were anchored to an existing patio and strengthened using interior rods.   The compression plate at the top stiffens the rods for tensile strength (as concrete has excellent compression strength, but poor tensile strength).   Tip/tilt plate on top of that, then the mount plate.   Definitely need to let the pier cure before using, but after the cure, the mount tested very well (as measured by both guiding and pointing model performance).  

These relatively inexpensive piers can be the real deal and (finally!) one place in this hobby where you don't need to spend a fortune to get something that works well.    Here's a couple pics of my pier:

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Michel_Sw 0.00
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I kind of followed your idea and style (and @AstroStace  post) and went ahead and dug a hole…. Thanks for your helpful post! 
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Great idea. I'm guessing the mount stays out all of time. If so, with what and how do you cover the mount with to protect it from the weather?
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Gondola 8.11
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My mount stay out year round as well. I just cover it with a double layer of heavy duty, black garbage bags. These are handy because they are easily secured by looping the little pull handles around the central screw and know holding the mount to the tripod. I replace these roughly twice a year but have never had a leak of any kind.
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Kieran_Gunessee 5.72
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I use the Telegizmos cover to cover the mount and pier.

You could use a tarpaulin sheet which I've seen people use as well, but for the cost of the equipment I thought it'd be best to invest in a proper cover!

These are the ones I use - https://www.rothervalleyoptics.co.uk/telegizmos-365-series-telescope-covers.html

So far I have not had any issue even with all the rain we get in the UK!
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