Obviously I have misjudged my image. I try diligently to render images as realistic in broadband as I can. Balance, palette, sharpening, noise control, etc. feedback from y’all hone skills. So I must be in need of serious honing. 220 looks and only 47 likes? That is an unusually poor percentage. It would be very helpful to us in need of improvement if people would not only like images they feel are worthy, but also give a reason why an image is not worthy. Otherwise, we are left to wonder at the deficiency. It’d be far better to be critiqued than ignored. I know the image is not perfect, I am not looking for every nitpicking fault. All images have them and yet receive hundreds of likes. I am looking for major issues, significant enough to cause someone to think the image is poor overall. I am also not looking for ultra pixel peeping critique, for I am certain people did not super zoom this image when they glanced at it and passed it over. The data is not perfect, so the image can’t be. for the record, I think it is a pretty decent image, with some elements not typically seen, such as Ha structures in the core.  Also for the record, this request is borne out of curiosity, not resentment. I have long since stopped caring about such things, hence my non involvement with competitions and prizes. But the extreme apparent disregard of this image makes me very very curious. And, I do realize that my judgement may be impaired and in need of adjustment.
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220 looks and only 47 likes? That is an unusually poor percentage I have noticed that behavior as well I once posted an image of the Perseus Double Cluster, and the views/likes ratio was poor I then saw Gary Imm posted an image of the Perseus Double Cluster, and well, the likes, the comments, and the bookmarks skyrocketed and his image looked at least 5x worse than mine the only explanation I have is maybe because he had more followers, there was a higher chance for more people to like his images, but idk, that really doesn't add up for me that out of the way, there are two things I see "wrong" about your image: 1. you made everything a little too dark; the background is too black, 2. and you blew up the the highlights just a tad bit too much EDIT: Actually, your Revision J is the best one to me and your highlights and shadows look better; there is no reason for the lack of likes
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Why do you think someone not liking an image means they think it isn’t worthy? I never considered that someone not leaving a like for one of my images meant that they didn’t think it worthy and if they thought that, it would be irrelevant to me and should be for you for one of your images. Liking or not liking an image is more social behavior than passing a judgment on quality.
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Liking or not liking an image is more social behavior than passing a judgment on quality. this is confusing because the Global Stream shows images explicitly stating that a certain number of people like those imagesit doesn't say, (person) and ### others like the man who took the image, or the acquisition details, or the description of the image can you explain what social behavior do you mean?
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I think you bring up an interesting point, much larger in scope than your particular image (which, frankly, I think is exceptional!).
More than any other genre of photography, astrophotography is highly subjective, since no one precisely knows what these objects residing in deep, dark space might actually look like without the warping aspects of our atmosphere. Even the Hubble Palette is synthetically generated based on the subjective parameters of the scientists processing all various channels of collected data.
So, I guess my question would be "what are the metrics that define a good astro image?" [i] [/i]Is it the degree of sharpness? Color balance? And if so, which color balance? Is it the highest dynamic range we can squeeze from the subs? Is it finding a unique way to display an oft seen object? Star color?
Also. We shouldn't lose sight (pun, intended) of just how incredibly fortunate we are to be able to collect the data, process the data and display the final image like we do. Fifteen years ago this wasn't even conceivable that the average amateur astrophotographer could stand in their light polluted backyard and capture this magnificent beauty!!
I would like to hear what different people look for aesthetically to decide the quality of these magnificent images!
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Rodd Dryfoos:
220 looks and only 47 likes? That is an unusually poor percentage
I have noticed that behavior as well
I once posted an image of the Perseus Double Cluster, and the views/likes ratio was poor
I then saw Gary Imm posted an image of the Perseus Double Cluster, and well, the likes, the comments, and the bookmarks skyrocketed
and his image looked at least 5x worse than mine
the only explanation I have is maybe because he had more followers, there was a higher chance for more people to like his images, but idk, that really doesn't add up for me
that out of the way,
there are two things I see "wrong" about your image:
1. you made everything a little too dark; the background is too black,
2. and you blew up the the highlights just a tad bit too much
EDIT: Actually, your Revision J is the best one to me and your highlights and shadows look better; there is no reason for the lack of likes Yeah, that doesn’t seem to be the answer. I have, after all 348 followers and only about 50 like. Which is kind of strange. As far as the background, pixinsight has the values at about .07-.08, which is supposed to be about right. Maybe they need to adjust the recommended value. Thats an easy fix. Version J? I don’t like the blue cast. Too blue. Thanks for chiming in. I appreciate it
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Why do you think someone not liking an image means they think it isn’t worthy? I never considered that someone not leaving a like for one of my images meant that they didn’t think it worthy and if they thought that, it would be irrelevant to me and should be for you for one of your images. Liking or not liking an image is more social behavior than passing a judgment on quality. Ah, the age old argument. I disagree. Good images get likes in general. Now, the opposite is not necessarily true. I’ve seen what I consider terrible images get 300 likes. In that case it is social behavior.
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Arun H:
Liking or not liking an image is more social behavior than passing a judgment on quality.
this is confusing because the Global Stream shows images explicitly stating that a certain number of people like those images
it doesn't say, (person) and ### others like the man who took the image, or the acquisition details, or the description of the image
can you explain what social behavior do you mean? he means popularity I yhink
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I think you bring up an interesting point, much larger in scope than your particular image (which, frankly, I think is exceptional!).
More than any other genre of photography, astrophotography is highly subjective, since no one precisely knows what these objects residing in deep, dark space might actually look like without the warping aspects of our atmosphere. Even the Hubble Palette is synthetically generated based on the subjective parameters of the scientists processing all various channels of collected data.
So, I guess my question would be "what are the metrics that define a good astro image?" [i] [/i]Is it the degree of sharpness? Color balance? And if so, which color balance? Is it the highest dynamic range we can squeeze from the subs? Is it finding a unique way to display an oft seen object? Star color?
Also. We shouldn't lose sight (pun, intended) of just how incredibly fortunate we are to be able to collect the data, process the data and display the final image like we do. Fifteen years ago this wasn't even conceivable that the average amateur astrophotographer could stand in their light polluted backyard and capture this magnificent beauty!!
I would like to hear what different people look for aesthetically to decide the quality of these magnificent images! It’s like pornography, you know it when you see it. Let’s not get bogged down in philosophy. At its simplest, broadband, which this image is, has a straight forward aesthetics. At its simplest, Try to make it look as close to the standard Hubble image as you can. But I settle for other great amateur images that I have seen. Even narrowband is straight forward aesthetics for me—bad things include being overly noisy, color mottle, sharpening artifacts, poor calibration, poor focus, poor guiding. Those are indisputable, pillars of astrophotography. Other things such as stretching to aggressively and saturation ( not really but I’ll give it to you) are more subjective. Your other points are well taken, but how fortunate we are to be able to do this and the fact that much our images look better than encyclopedia images of the 1970s is, while true and worth pondering, are not really at issue. They do not enter into the question at hand.
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Mottle, oversharpening and most glaring of all, it isn't a full view. This is Andromeda, you want a full view, period.
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Hello Rodd, Looking at a glance to your image, I think the issues might be: - field of view does not seem great. I don't agree with Andrea Tasseli when he says Andromeda needs a full view but both ends have interesting features which make a nice contrast with the core. You chosen to cut both ends and the core alone is not that interesting; - the blue arms are not very evident - that usually tend to make Andromeda sparkle. I think this is also related to lack of depth; - I feel too much contrast - perhaps the sky background needs to be raised a tad more; - The stars lack colour If you zoom in there are other things you might improve but that is out of your stated scope so I won't dwell into it. Of course all this is quite subjective but there's my 2 cents…  About popularity, likes and followers… I really think that image quality is a factor but one among others and perhaps not the most relevant. Cheers, André
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Mottle, oversharpening and most glaring of all, it isn't a full view. This is Andromeda, you want a full view, period. there’s no mottle, only slight over sharpening if you pixel peep, and as for the view, that’s ridiculous.
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Hello Rodd,
Looking at a glance to your image, I think the issues might be:
- field of view does not seem great. I don't agree with Andrea Tasseli when he says Andromeda needs a full view but both ends have interesting features which make a nice contrast with the core. You chosen to cut both ends and the core alone is not that interesting;
- the blue arms are not very evident - that usually tend to make Andromeda sparkle. I think this is also related to lack of depth;
- I feel too much contrast - perhaps the sky background needs to be raised a tad more;
- The stars lack colour
If you zoom in there are other things you might improve but that is out of your stated scope so I won't dwell into it.
Of course all this is quite subjective but there's my 2 cents... 
About popularity, likes and followers... I really think that image quality is a factor but one among others and perhaps not the most relevant.
Cheers,
André *** Type your reply here I didn’t choose to cut things off my sensor and FOV did that. Again, your points are subjective and not I believe cause for few likes. The image is not perfect. But I think it is quite decent. As far as star color, that is one of the biggest mistakes in my opinion. Stars are not that ,colorful! Besides, mine have color, they are not colorless. But we digress, do you really think the people inspected the image to this degree when they passed it over?
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Hi here,
Interesting discussion that apparently slipped from constructive criticism on a specific image to a general discussion on liking behavior on social media.
Regarding you specific image, I do like its general sharpness and crispy aspect. I also like the gentle color management, especially the way the Ha is inserted without getting too flashy. There is however room for improvement in the darks and highlights management. In particular the darks are too dark so as the harms could be more visible. The background is too dark too.
Regarding the social media aspects, I invite you to step away from the like counter and rather to focus on what you like and what you want to bring out in your image. The like counter does depend on your imaging and editing choices AND on the behaviour of a large group of poeple. Do what you do, and if other people like it, then it is for the best. It should not be an issue that your image was not liked enough. Potentiel "likers" are not always systematic, consistent, rational or qualitified, even if the Astrobin community is much better than most other social net communities that I know. Astrobin is on the internet tough, and flashy content is favored also here when it comes to liking behavior. I take you image of NGC 253 with 111 likes to be a proof of that. Warm and saturated colors trigger more liking behaviours than gentle and realistic colors. For you M31, you chose to be gentle on colors. That is ok but puts you on a harder track in terms of like-behavior. But this should not be a problem.
CS
Patrice
PS : you do have many wonderfull images in you gallery.
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Rodd Dryfoos:
Good images get likes in general. Now, the opposite is not necessarily true. I’ve seen what I consider terrible images get 300 likes. In that case it is social behavior. I would qualify that by saying certain good images get likes. For example, a couple years ago WR 134 was in vogue. Everyone wanted to image it. So good images of that would be noticed and get a lot of likes. Certainly my WR134 image is the most "liked" image in my gallery. In your case, you have an image of M31, which is very, very commonly done. It would take something unusual for it to get noticed by some random Astrobin user, or even one of your followers, which is how you get unsolicited likes. These days, it would take I think one of those 50-100 hour images that render the H-alpha and OIII outer regions for it to get noticed and a lot of likes. That does not mean your image is bad - you had your own goals on what you wanted to get, which was the H-alpha near the core, and you succeeded. That is a personal victory and accomplishment of which you should be proud, but may not correlate to what the general public notices and likes.
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Rodd Dryfoos:
Obviously I have misjudged my image. I try diligently to render images as realistic in broadband as I can. Balance, palette, sharpening, noise control, etc. feedback from y’all hone skills. So I must be in need of serious honing. 220 looks and only 47 likes? That is an unusually poor percentage. It would be very helpful to us in need of improvement if people would not only like images they feel are worthy, but also give a reason why an image is not worthy. Otherwise, we are left to wonder at the deficiency. It’d be far better to be critiqued than ignored.
I know the image is not perfect, I am not looking for every nitpicking fault. All images have them and yet receive hundreds of likes. I am looking for major issues, significant enough to cause someone to think the image is poor overall. I am also not looking for ultra pixel peeping critique, for I am certain people did not super zoom this image when they glanced at it and passed it over. The data is not perfect, so the image can’t be.
for the record, I think it is a pretty decent image, with some elements not typically seen, such as Ha structures in the core. Also for the record, this request is borne out of curiosity, not resentment. I have long since stopped caring about such things, hence my non involvement with competitions and prizes. But the extreme apparent disregard of this image makes me very very curious. And, I do realize that my judgement may be impaired and in need of adjustment. it's a great image. Sometimes I forget to like an image before I leave. I'm sure others do too, I wouldn't worry about it too much |
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Hi here,
Interesting discussion that apparently slipped from constructive criticism on a specific image to a general discussion on liking behavior on social media.
Regarding you specific image, I do like its general sharpness and crispy aspect. I also like the gentle color management, especially the way the Ha is inserted without getting too flashy. There is however room for improvement in the darks and highlights management. In particular the darks are too dark so as the harms could be more visible. The background is too dark too.
Regarding the social media aspects, I invite you to step away from the like counter and rather to focus on what you like and what you want to bring out in your image. The like counter does depend on your imaging and editing choices AND on the behaviour of a large group of poeple. Do what you do, and if other people like it, then it is for the best. It should not be an issue that your image was not liked enough. Potentiel "likers" are not always systematic, consistent, rational or qualitified, even if the Astrobin community is much better than most other social net communities that I know. Astrobin is on the internet tough, and flashy content is favored also here when it comes to liking behavior. I take you image of NGC 253 with 111 likes to be a proof of that. Warm and saturated colors trigger more liking behaviours than gentle and realistic colors. For you M31, you chose to be gentle on colors. That is ok but puts you on a harder track in terms of like-behavior. But this should not be a problem.
CS
Patrice
PS : you do have many wonderfull images in you gallery. I have stepped far away, I am just coming up for air. I don''t participate much in much and dont concern myself wioth much on Astrobin. I dont participate in the competitions. When I like an image, I say why. When I see a glaring defficieny, I mention it. No image is perfect. This image exemplifuies structure and detail in the dust lanes and around the core. 99% of M31 images have no core-they are either totally clipped, or compressed to such a degree that it does not look realistic. I have sort of run out of fuel in this post TTTT. While all the criticisms have a gegree of merit, none I believe are the reason for few likes. People forget, this is a high resolution of M31, not a ful disc shot. Its meant to show detail without ruining the overall look. Its meant to reveal the structure around the core--not an eaiey challenge. Are the darks to dark? maybe a bit in some locations. Is the background too dark--maybe by a smidgeon. Would these defficiencies cause most people to can the image and reprocess? I think not considering the over all look. If only perfect images got alot of likes, there would be few and far between. I apoporeciatre your thoughts. Now I have to go reprocess this darn thing.......again!
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Rodd Dryfoos:
Obviously I have misjudged my image. I try diligently to render images as realistic in broadband as I can. Balance, palette, sharpening, noise control, etc. feedback from y’all hone skills. So I must be in need of serious honing. 220 looks and only 47 likes? That is an unusually poor percentage. It would be very helpful to us in need of improvement if people would not only like images they feel are worthy, but also give a reason why an image is not worthy. Otherwise, we are left to wonder at the deficiency. It’d be far better to be critiqued than ignored.
I know the image is not perfect, I am not looking for every nitpicking fault. All images have them and yet receive hundreds of likes. I am looking for major issues, significant enough to cause someone to think the image is poor overall. I am also not looking for ultra pixel peeping critique, for I am certain people did not super zoom this image when they glanced at it and passed it over. The data is not perfect, so the image can’t be.
for the record, I think it is a pretty decent image, with some elements not typically seen, such as Ha structures in the core. Also for the record, this request is borne out of curiosity, not resentment. I have long since stopped caring about such things, hence my non involvement with competitions and prizes. But the extreme apparent disregard of this image makes me very very curious. And, I do realize that my judgement may be impaired and in need of adjustment.
it's a great image.
Sometimes I forget to like an image before I leave. I'm sure others do too, I wouldn't worry about it too much Light at the end of the tunnel--Thanks Tiff. I try not to.
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Good images get likes in general. Now, the opposite is not necessarily true. I’ve seen what I consider terrible images get 300 likes. In that case it is social behavior.
I would qualify that by saying certain good images get likes. For example, a couple years ago WR 134 was in vogue. Everyone wanted to image it. So good images of that would be noticed and get a lot of likes. Certainly my WR134 image is the most "liked" image in my gallery.
In your case, you have an image of M31, which is very, very commonly done. It would take something unusual for it to get noticed by some random Astrobin user, or even one of your followers, which is how you get unsolicited likes. These days, it would take I think one of those 50-100 hour images that render the H-alpha and OIII outer regions for it to get noticed and a lot of likes. That does not mean your image is bad - you had your own goals on what you wanted to get, which was the H-alpha near the core, and you succeeded. That is a personal victory and accomplishment of which you should be proud, but may not correlate to what the general public notices and likes. Yeah, I agree pretty much. I would add that M31 is commonly imaged......but not commonbly imaged well. In my opinion ALL targets and ALL FOVs can be excellent. I try to critique an image based on the quality of what is portrayed, not the target choice. I look at the tenents of astro photography that most strive to meet--the basics of processing, of ehicvh there is a long list and one that wyou are well aware of, I am sure, so no need to list trhem all. I appreciate your inmput....thanks
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Beautiful image, not much to critique. Maybe slightly over sharpened in a few areas. I’ve never been concerned about likes. I’ve seen technically superior images get passed over for eye-candy images in terms of popularity and judging. Happens all the time. It’s what the masses gravitate too. Just lean on your experience and understanding to be confident in yourself.
And……it’s also M31. Think about it. There are probably more M31 images on AB than any other target. We have seen 300HR integrations of it. People are numb to it and don’t give it much thought or time. It’s not you…it’s M31 ha ha.
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Beautiful image, not much to critique. Maybe slightly over sharpened in a few areas. I’ve never been concerned about likes. I’ve seen technically superior images get passed over for eye-candy images in terms of popularity and judging. Happens all the time. It’s what the masses gravitate too. Just lean on your experience and understanding to be confident in yourself.
And……it’s also M31. Think about it. There are probably more M31 images on AB than any other target. We have seen 300HR integrations of it. People are numb to it and don’t give it much thought or time. It’s not you…it’s M31 ha ha. All true. I guess I am not like most people. To me, the more a target is imaged, the more attemntion a good example gets. Yes, M31 is sampled very often, but how many of those images are truly excellent images? I love all targets, when I see a good example of one, it grabs me, refuses to let go. i get lost in its depth. I get lost in this image at full resolution. Thats the scope and camera I use--fairly high resolution, not widefiled by any means (I need a 6200 camera!) Thanks
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I have lifted the background a bit and increased saturation a tad.  |
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patrice_so:
Hi here,
Interesting discussion that apparently slipped from constructive criticism on a specific image to a general discussion on liking behavior on social media.
Regarding you specific image, I do like its general sharpness and crispy aspect. I also like the gentle color management, especially the way the Ha is inserted without getting too flashy. There is however room for improvement in the darks and highlights management. In particular the darks are too dark so as the harms could be more visible. The background is too dark too.
Regarding the social media aspects, I invite you to step away from the like counter and rather to focus on what you like and what you want to bring out in your image. The like counter does depend on your imaging and editing choices AND on the behaviour of a large group of poeple. Do what you do, and if other people like it, then it is for the best. It should not be an issue that your image was not liked enough. Potentiel "likers" are not always systematic, consistent, rational or qualitified, even if the Astrobin community is much better than most other social net communities that I know. Astrobin is on the internet tough, and flashy content is favored also here when it comes to liking behavior. I take you image of NGC 253 with 111 likes to be a proof of that. Warm and saturated colors trigger more liking behaviours than gentle and realistic colors. For you M31, you chose to be gentle on colors. That is ok but puts you on a harder track in terms of like-behavior. But this should not be a problem.
CS
Patrice
PS : you do have many wonderfull images in you gallery.
I have stepped far away, I am just coming up for air. I don''t participate much in much and dont concern myself wioth much on Astrobin. I dont participate in the competitions. When I like an image, I say why. When I see a glaring defficieny, I mention it.
No image is perfect. This image exemplifuies structure and detail in the dust lanes and around the core. 99% of M31 images have no core-they are either totally clipped, or compressed to such a degree that it does not look realistic. I have sort of run out of fuel in this post TTTT. While all the criticisms have a gegree of merit, none I believe are the reason for few likes. People forget, this is a high resolution of M31, not a ful disc shot. Its meant to show detail without ruining the overall look. Its meant to reveal the structure around the core--not an eaiey challenge. Are the darks to dark? maybe a bit in some locations. Is the background too dark--maybe by a smidgeon. Would these defficiencies cause most people to can the image and reprocess? I think not considering the over all look.
If only perfect images got alot of likes, there would be few and far between. I apoporeciatre your thoughts. Now I have to go reprocess this darn thing.......again! Thanks Rodd. No : the details I mentionned won't change much the behavior of the astrobin community in terms of like. Whether you want to reprocess is is up to you. Usually, I stop after 3-5 processing rounds, because I get confused between similar outcomes. Triggering likes is another story anyway, I don't like the idea of identifying strategies to identify likes. If I would, I woud prefer Facebook or Instagram anyway. CS Patrice PS: I note that the appreciation you expressed in you answer to my post did not bring you to "like" it either. The point here is not to bring you to like my post, but to highlight that explicite appreciation does not equate "like". This certainly applies to image too.
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PS: I not that the appreciation you expressed in you answer to my post did not bring you to "like" it either. The point here is not to bring you to like my post, but to highlight that explicite appreciation does not equate "like". This certainly applies to image too. I noticed the same thing about my post too. While Rodd appreciated it, he did not "like" it  . Which reinforces my original point about likes being social behavior and not necessarily correlated to appreciation of an image.
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patrice_so:
Hi here,
Interesting discussion that apparently slipped from constructive criticism on a specific image to a general discussion on liking behavior on social media.
Regarding you specific image, I do like its general sharpness and crispy aspect. I also like the gentle color management, especially the way the Ha is inserted without getting too flashy. There is however room for improvement in the darks and highlights management. In particular the darks are too dark so as the harms could be more visible. The background is too dark too.
Regarding the social media aspects, I invite you to step away from the like counter and rather to focus on what you like and what you want to bring out in your image. The like counter does depend on your imaging and editing choices AND on the behaviour of a large group of poeple. Do what you do, and if other people like it, then it is for the best. It should not be an issue that your image was not liked enough. Potentiel "likers" are not always systematic, consistent, rational or qualitified, even if the Astrobin community is much better than most other social net communities that I know. Astrobin is on the internet tough, and flashy content is favored also here when it comes to liking behavior. I take you image of NGC 253 with 111 likes to be a proof of that. Warm and saturated colors trigger more liking behaviours than gentle and realistic colors. For you M31, you chose to be gentle on colors. That is ok but puts you on a harder track in terms of like-behavior. But this should not be a problem.
CS
Patrice
PS : you do have many wonderfull images in you gallery.
I have stepped far away, I am just coming up for air. I don''t participate much in much and dont concern myself wioth much on Astrobin. I dont participate in the competitions. When I like an image, I say why. When I see a glaring defficieny, I mention it.
No image is perfect. This image exemplifuies structure and detail in the dust lanes and around the core. 99% of M31 images have no core-they are either totally clipped, or compressed to such a degree that it does not look realistic. I have sort of run out of fuel in this post TTTT. While all the criticisms have a gegree of merit, none I believe are the reason for few likes. People forget, this is a high resolution of M31, not a ful disc shot. Its meant to show detail without ruining the overall look. Its meant to reveal the structure around the core--not an eaiey challenge. Are the darks to dark? maybe a bit in some locations. Is the background too dark--maybe by a smidgeon. Would these defficiencies cause most people to can the image and reprocess? I think not considering the over all look.
If only perfect images got alot of likes, there would be few and far between. I apoporeciatre your thoughts. Now I have to go reprocess this darn thing.......again!
Thanks Rodd.
No : the details I mentionned won't change much the behavior of the astrobin community in terms of like. Whether you want to reprocess is is up to you. Usually, I stop after 3-5 processing rounds, because I get confused between similar outcomes.
Triggering likes is another story anyway, I don't like the idea of identifying strategies to identify likes. If I would, I woud prefer Facebook or Instagram anyway.
CS
Patrice
PS: I not that the appreciation you expressed in you answer to my post did not bring you to "like" it either. The point here is not to bring you to like my post, but to highlight that explicite appreciation does not equate "like". This certainly applies to image too. Thanks Patrice--I dont usually "like" comments or posts--just images. I do if I remember, of if I know the person, or if the comment is truly amazing--but then I will respond to it and liking it seems secondary. Not so with im,ages IMO. Regarding Instragram or facebook--Astrobin is a forum for astrophotographers, the others are not. I do not value a like from someone on facebook as much as I do from an astrophotographer on Astrobin. That is, after all, wghat Astrobin is for. I do not value a like from a friend as much as from someone on astrobin, becuase this is not a popularity contest, or shouldnt be, IMO. If only I had some cl;ear Moonless nights, I could forget about all thiis!
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Also for the record, this request is borne out of curiosity, not resentment. I have long since stopped caring about such things, hence my non involvement with competitions and prizes. But the extreme apparent disregard of this image makes me very very curious. And, I do realize that my judgement may be impaired and in need of adjustment.
